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creb · 2013-06-22, 23:47

Boy, this is the best arc in ages. Wish we'd actually seen the fight, but yes...I always figured the outcome was going to happen eventually, just not so soon.

To think, there's still two more guards (well, all three really) and the king (and queen, I guess once the king is born). Lot of power creep Kilua and Gon are going to have to gain really fast. :/ I just hope their fight with the two assassins doesn't take too many episodes, so as to not disrupt the pacing of this arc too much.

Also, that was a pretty awesome gif.

leokiko · 2013-06-22, 23:52

That was one of the best anime episodes I've watched this year so far.

Everything was presented brilliantly, from the emotions when Pitou rushes at them, to when Gon is reassuring Killua that Kaito is fine, to the ending scene.

Damn! I love this series so much! If only Togashi wasn't such a lazy mother*****

FlareKnight · 2013-06-23, 01:17

Damn....I mean it felt like Kite had death flags going for a while, but that was fast. They were just walking at one point and then boom...that's it. It's hard to say how long that fight went on for, but that was it for Kite. His opponent truly was a monster. Of course it's something that he could put up any kind of fight at all considering he lost his arm in the first exchange, but that might have decided it. Probably didn't help either that he never had in his mind that the Chimera Ants would learn Nen.

In the end while Killua might be considered disqualified, it's that disqualification that will let him and Gon live another day. Certainly as an Assassin he made the right call. If you have 0% chance of victory or survival, you run like hell. Gon would only have gotten himself killed if he rushed in and attacked. Certainly reflects how different he is from others that facing something that powerful and someone like Kite getting injured actually triggered the fight response.

While Kite died I feel worse for Killua. This episode was truly hell for him. He just ran as fast and as far as he could to get them out of there alive. Had a lot of time to dwell on what happened until backup arrived and even more time during the drive away from there. In the end he stuck by what he said on the way there. He'd make his decision in that instant whether to stand and fight or run and this time it was time to run.

At least Gon managed to cheer up his mood. Being grateful that Killua got them out so he can get strong enough to help. Though his optimism is overboard knowing the realities of what happened. However Kite lost, he most definitely lost and died. It's going to be a painful revelation when Gon finds out that Kite is dead.

Regardless this episode was something else. Things just keep getting worse and this was a devastating defeat. Certainly they seemed to bring the big guns in for this job, but who knows how it will play out.

frubam · 2013-06-23, 02:17

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Originally Posted by Funkatron

Hunter x Hunter: the Game of Thrones of anime

Spoiler for I think I'm strong:

How she looks up and to the right is too cute =03! Sinister, but cute =03.

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

At least Gon managed to cheer up his mood. Being grateful that Killua got them out so he can get strong enough to help. Though his optimism is overboard knowing the realities of what happened. However Kite lost, he most definitely lost and died. It's going to be a painful revelation when Gon finds out that Kite is dead.

Indeed. And this is one of the small, but powerful ways Togashi completely breaks shounen concepts. Typically, we'd see Kite beginning to fight a hopeless battle, with no idea what has come of his fate until much later, giving viewers some semblance of the goal Gon wishes to attain, as well as the hope that his determination will allow him to acquire what he seeks; but not here. Togashi shatters all hope before it even began by showing a completely beheaded Kite IMMEDIATELY after Gon's declaration to save Kite. Getting angry does not automatically allow you to land a blow or stand a chance against an enemy far beyond your abilities. These give HxH an aspect of 'realism', that most shounen brethren fail to accomplish.

Guardian Enzo · 2013-06-23, 03:18

It's almost a unfair that a show could already be this good and then add Shinichiro Miki...

I should just give up on trying to guess how many gears Togashi has at this point, because he keeps finding new ones. This was already the best arc in the series in terms of premise (maybe one of the best in any anime or manga) but this was the ep where it really brought the main character dynamic back into full prominence.

Arkeus · 2013-06-23, 03:28

Annnnd Biscuit's Back :3

Pacify · 2013-06-23, 05:38

Holy crap.

I kinda felt that things were going to get real, but damn I wasn't expecting it to get that real that fast. That ending scene...... god damn
Kite was such an awesome character, it is sad that we never even got to see all 7 of his rolls

Hope the training arc doesn't last too long

revive4563 · 2013-06-23, 05:43

After such a long time, this major Jump series taught me that author of Shingeki no Kyojin is completely amature/doujin level.

This IS a talent of story writing.

I don't like Togashi always but he is good, after all.

ookamigirl · 2013-06-23, 06:01

Wow! Neferpitou really is strong.
I was surprised Kite got hurt so easily.
Those royal guards are not joke.
For now, she's the only one, but getting rid of chimera ants will be very hard.
Killua was pretty down after that incident.
Looks like the big guns are here now. Wonder how they'll do.

Guardian Enzo · 2013-06-23, 06:22

Yeah, to think that Pitou is only one of three - what happens when his siblings come out? And then there's the King himself...

Haak · 2013-06-23, 06:57

Yeesh, I was wondering why they were getting so sentimental when nothing had happened yet but I guess my suspicions were confirmed just a few minutes later when we got that.

So sad to see Kite go like that. To be honest I wasn't all that attached to him but he was pretty cool and we never got to find out the full extent of his abilities which is a massive shame. I suppose his main role was to be the Obi-Wan to Gon and Killua and it certainly improved Killua's character by miles. The effect on Gon is more of a mixed bag for me. I was never big on Gon's character and he always seemed to have all the traits of an unbearably generic shonen lead but I eventually grew to tolerate that since it was made up for with his interesting dynamic with Killua and I could at least accept the heart behind it, particularly in those instances when it was actually done well (e.g. Gon vs Hisoka). But now it really does seem like the story plans to do a 180 on all of that and I'm not sure what to think of that. On the one hand, I can derive a certain twisted pleasure watching this kid get brutalised and finally put an end to all those traits I disliked about him, but on the other hand I feel like it's throwing away a certain sincerity behind the story for the sake of being darker which I'm not sure I can get behind. What I'd like to see is a good balance so that it can achieve the best of the both but it's hard to feel that can happen when it goes from typical upbeat Gon motivational moment to Ant monster stroking Kite's severed head. At the very least Gon and Killua's dynamic just keeps getting better and better. Probably one of the best things about this show, imo.

If I have one gripe about the episode (and it's a small one really), I suppose I am a little bit disappointed that this sudden twist relied on one of the most annoying reasons for something bad to happen: Not running when you're told to. Unless time had slowed down or something, I'm pretty sure I would've reacted faster than those kids. I thought Gon and Killua were way past that kind of rookie-ness but apparently not. Although maybe I'm just being harsh and shouldn't expect them to be Genre Savvy.

fertygo · 2013-06-23, 07:36

The scene supposed to be lightning fast, and I don't understand why you must think it that way Haak. I'm truly impressed by Killua's action.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2013-06-23, 07:53

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Originally Posted by Haak

Not running when you're told to. Unless time had slowed down or something, I'm pretty sure I would've reacted faster than those kids. I thought Gon and Killua were way past that kind of rookie-ness but apparently not. Although maybe I'm just being harsh and shouldn't expect them to be Genre Savvy.

They were surprised and shocked, that’s all. It happened in lightning-speed and they didn’t anticipate an attack that fast from that far away. Plus, there’s that massive malicious nen aura thing emanating from Nefer which they never felt before and that kinda petrified them a bit. Plus again, after watching Kite lost his arm, the hot-head Gon freaked out and went all-rage before the cool-headed Killua stopped him. Given their characteristics and situation, I think those kids’ reaction is quite understandable and consistent.

Haak · 2013-06-23, 08:07

^ I'm not sure how you managed to quote Clarste there...

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Originally Posted by fertygo

The scene supposed to be lightning fast, and I don't understand why you must think it that way Haak.

I don't.

Hence why I said "unless time had slowed down"...

Dengar · 2013-06-23, 08:10

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

In the end while Killua might be considered disqualified, it's that disqualification that will let him and Gon live another day. Certainly as an Assassin he made the right call. If you have 0% chance of victory or survival, you run like hell. Gon would only have gotten himself killed if he rushed in and attacked. Certainly reflects how different he is from others that facing something that powerful and someone like Kite getting injured actually triggered the fight response.

It may seem like the logical choice to flee when you "know you cannot win", and in a way, it is. However, it does prove that Killua lacks the proper state of mind for a proper nen user. Battles of nen aren't won DBZ-style by pitting power levels against eachother. Normally, if a nen-user feels outclassed, they will attempt to find a different way to win. In that regard, it's actually Gon who has the proper mentality.

Of course, on the flipside, Gon, being inexperienced, really would have gotten in Kite's way, and all three of them would have died. Either way, the episode was meant to show us that while both kids lack experience, what they lack is different between them.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2013-06-23, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Haak

^ I'm not sure how you managed to quote Clarste there.

Me too. How the hell Clarste's name can end up there?

Anyway, the quote came from you. So, I'll edit my previous post to match it.

Anh_Minh · 2013-06-23, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Dengar

It may seem like the logical choice to flee when you "know you cannot win", and in a way, it is. However, it does prove that Killua lacks the proper state of mind for a proper nen user.

That's just Morau's opinion, though. Kite told them to run.

It's probably true it's not just about the size of the aura. It doesn't mean running wasn't the correct decision.

Dengar · 2013-06-23, 09:12

Yeah I know that. I also said that I knew that. It's complicated.
Both sides of the story are true. Like I said, it all comes down to the fact that they lack experience. And the thing that Killua lacks the most is the resolve to see something through to the end.

Hamster · 2013-06-23, 10:03

Well...at least the way Neferpitou said "I'm pretty strong" was pretty darn cute.

Kanon · 2013-06-23, 10:35

Morel and Knov's trash-talking of Killua really pissed me off. He made the right call. There was nothing he or Gon could do against Pitou, they would have only gotten in Kite's way. Morel and Knov shouldn't act all high and mighty when they have no idea how fearsome the opponent truly is. They don't know what they're talking about. Kite whom we were told in this episode was a top tier hunter thought Killua made the correct decision. I'm looking forward to their reaction when they finally encounter a royal guard.

Morel's approach to nen battles is not wrong, but that only applies if you are not helplessly outmatched, which they were.

2013-06-22, 23:47	Link #3121
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	Boy, this is the best arc in ages. Wish we'd actually seen the fight, but yes...I always figured the outcome was going to happen eventually, just not so soon. To think, there's still two more guards (well, all three really) and the king (and queen, I guess once the king is born). Lot of power creep Kilua and Gon are going to have to gain really fast. :/ I just hope their fight with the two assassins doesn't take too many episodes, so as to not disrupt the pacing of this arc too much. Also, that was a pretty awesome gif. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

2013-06-23, 01:17	Link #3123
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Damn....I mean it felt like Kite had death flags going for a while, but that was fast. They were just walking at one point and then boom...that's it. It's hard to say how long that fight went on for, but that was it for Kite. His opponent truly was a monster. Of course it's something that he could put up any kind of fight at all considering he lost his arm in the first exchange, but that might have decided it. Probably didn't help either that he never had in his mind that the Chimera Ants would learn Nen. In the end while Killua might be considered disqualified, it's that disqualification that will let him and Gon live another day. Certainly as an Assassin he made the right call. If you have 0% chance of victory or survival, you run like hell. Gon would only have gotten himself killed if he rushed in and attacked. Certainly reflects how different he is from others that facing something that powerful and someone like Kite getting injured actually triggered the fight response. While Kite died I feel worse for Killua. This episode was truly hell for him. He just ran as fast and as far as he could to get them out of there alive. Had a lot of time to dwell on what happened until backup arrived and even more time during the drive away from there. In the end he stuck by what he said on the way there. He'd make his decision in that instant whether to stand and fight or run and this time it was time to run. At least Gon managed to cheer up his mood. Being grateful that Killua got them out so he can get strong enough to help. Though his optimism is overboard knowing the realities of what happened. However Kite lost, he most definitely lost and died. It's going to be a painful revelation when Gon finds out that Kite is dead. Regardless this episode was something else. Things just keep getting worse and this was a devastating defeat. Certainly they seemed to bring the big guns in for this job, but who knows how it will play out. __________________ Anime-Evo

2013-06-23, 06:01	Link #3129
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Wow! Neferpitou really is strong. I was surprised Kite got hurt so easily. Those royal guards are not joke. For now, she's the only one, but getting rid of chimera ants will be very hard. Killua was pretty down after that incident. Looks like the big guns are here now. Wonder how they'll do. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2013-06-23, 06:57	Link #3131
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	Yeesh, I was wondering why they were getting so sentimental when nothing had happened yet but I guess my suspicions were confirmed just a few minutes later when we got that. So sad to see Kite go like that. To be honest I wasn't all that attached to him but he was pretty cool and we never got to find out the full extent of his abilities which is a massive shame. I suppose his main role was to be the Obi-Wan to Gon and Killua and it certainly improved Killua's character by miles. The effect on Gon is more of a mixed bag for me. I was never big on Gon's character and he always seemed to have all the traits of an unbearably generic shonen lead but I eventually grew to tolerate that since it was made up for with his interesting dynamic with Killua and I could at least accept the heart behind it, particularly in those instances when it was actually done well (e.g. Gon vs Hisoka). But now it really does seem like the story plans to do a 180 on all of that and I'm not sure what to think of that. On the one hand, I can derive a certain twisted pleasure watching this kid get brutalised and finally put an end to all those traits I disliked about him, but on the other hand I feel like it's throwing away a certain sincerity behind the story for the sake of being darker which I'm not sure I can get behind. What I'd like to see is a good balance so that it can achieve the best of the both but it's hard to feel that can happen when it goes from typical upbeat Gon motivational moment to Ant monster stroking Kite's severed head. At the very least Gon and Killua's dynamic just keeps getting better and better. Probably one of the best things about this show, imo. If I have one gripe about the episode (and it's a small one really), I suppose I am a little bit disappointed that this sudden twist relied on one of the most annoying reasons for something bad to happen: Not running when you're told to. Unless time had slowed down or something, I'm pretty sure I would've reacted faster than those kids. I thought Gon and Killua were way past that kind of rookie-ness but apparently not. Although maybe I'm just being harsh and shouldn't expect them to be Genre Savvy. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2013-06-23, 07:36	Link #3132
fertygo Hyakko Fanboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 32	The scene supposed to be lightning fast, and I don't understand why you must think it that way Haak. I'm truly impressed by Killua's action. __________________

2013-06-22, 23:52	Link #3122
leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	That was one of the best anime episodes I've watched this year so far. Everything was presented brilliantly, from the emotions when Pitou rushes at them, to when Gon is reassuring Killua that Kaito is fine, to the ending scene. Damn! I love this series so much! If only Togashi wasn't such a lazy mother*****

2013-06-23, 03:28	Link #3126
Arkeus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	Annnnd Biscuit's Back :3

2013-06-23, 05:38	Link #3127
Pacify Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aussie Age: 37	Holy crap. I kinda felt that things were going to get real, but damn I wasn't expecting it to get that real that fast. That ending scene...... god damn Kite was such an awesome character, it is sad that we never even got to see all 7 of his rolls Hope the training arc doesn't last too long

2013-06-23, 05:43	Link #3128
revive4563 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Inside of frog	After such a long time, this major Jump series taught me that author of Shingeki no Kyojin is completely amature/doujin level. This IS a talent of story writing. I don't like Togashi always but he is good, after all.

2013-06-23, 09:12	Link #3138
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Yeah I know that. I also said that I knew that. It's complicated. Both sides of the story are true. Like I said, it all comes down to the fact that they lack experience. And the thing that Killua lacks the most is the resolve to see something through to the end.

2013-06-23, 10:03	Link #3139
Hamster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	Well...at least the way Neferpitou said "I'm pretty strong" was pretty darn cute.

2013-06-23, 10:35	Link #3140
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Morel and Knov's trash-talking of Killua really pissed me off. He made the right call. There was nothing he or Gon could do against Pitou, they would have only gotten in Kite's way. Morel and Knov shouldn't act all high and mighty when they have no idea how fearsome the opponent truly is. They don't know what they're talking about. Kite whom we were told in this episode was a top tier hunter thought Killua made the correct decision. I'm looking forward to their reaction when they finally encounter a royal guard. Morel's approach to nen battles is not wrong, but that only applies if you are not helplessly outmatched, which they were. __________________