2009-12-03, 20:45
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2009-12-03, 21:01
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Mere age is a big deal in effecting how powerful a warrior can potentially be, Priscilla was a prodigy whose rank was high due to her unusual power, but that doesn't mean she reached her full potential quickly, it just meant that her base power was high enough that she was promoted to #2 immediately and the only reasons he wasn't made #1 is because Teresa was still superior to the newly assigned Priscilla.
Now, we have plenty of evidence that underdeveloped warriors gain power as they mature. Clare herself was barely able to wield a Claymore and was later able to fight well with it despite still being weaker then other warriors. We know Miria's rank was elevated from a lower rank to #8 before her partial-awakening over time because she developed her abilties further and matured as a warrior. Then we have Priscilla, who was stated multiple times (from multiple sources) that she had monstrous potential, which meant her actual power was enough to make her #2 without contest and she could still developing into a more powerful warrior. Then we have Teresa's own acknowledgment of the threat Priscilla represented. Even stating that in a years time the outcome would be unsure. Her subsequent death, surprise or not, also supports this. If Teresa was really 10x more powerful even a surprise attack would be utterly useless against her. Later, we even have the Databook (the organization's PoV) that has the Organization's theory that Priscilla had a large well of Yoki that she was unconsciously blocking off, possibly due to how immense it was and the level of difficult it would take to control from that. What other people thought was 70-80% could very well have been 5-10% for Priscilla. Then we have Extra Story 3, which supported the Organizations theory, even though Priscilla had already awakened, she was far from using her 100% power, as both Isley and Rigaldo found out. Rigaldo even goes so far as to describe Priscilla's Yoki as "Limitless," despite having an Abyssal one standing right next to her. After this, Isley swears loyalty to Priscilla and heads South, and fights Lucalea to theoretically eliminate any threat to Priscilla. Riful measures Priscilla's power and comes to this conclusion that two Abyssal Ones would be the only legitimate threat to her. Now we have the present, were Priscilla has just defeated Alicia and Beth if their Awakened forms while she herself remained in her human form, and she wasn't even bothering to dodge some of Beth's attacks at all, even in her human form (which is more vulnerable) The only evidence of her using Yoki at all was to heal her injuries, the rest was pure physical strength and speed. Riful realizes that her evaluation from before was off "a tad" Which brings up the question, has ANYONE (Teresa included) accurately measured Priscilla's power? ---------- Now people will still argue that despite all this, Teresa was leaps and bounds more powerful then Priscilla, but your still comparing a completely underdeveloped rookie to a more developed and experienced fighter like Teresa. and if Teresa was really that powerful, no amount of surprise/softness could have gotten her killed, and instead of running from the Organization, she simply could have beat them into submission in a matter of days. But I have argued all of this before, and evidence only mounts up the longer the Manga is running that Priscilla's true power was indeed greater then anyone expected, but most people choose to ignore that and point fingers at volume 3-4 claiming that Teresa's won with raw-power against Priscilla who was apparently as strong as she ever could be at that time. Which is why some (not all) people who argue for Teresa thinking they have "proven their point already" because they don't listen to the other side, choosing only to look at their side of the argument while ignoring anything that people like myself point out. Which is why I probably won't bother posting on the subject of Priscilla vs Teresa any further at this time, it really has worn me on me over the past couple of years.
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2009-12-03, 21:51
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Arguing interpretations of what happened in the manga proved pointless since both sides do not see the events unfold in the manga in the same manner. I think we should focus on the role Teresa serve in the Manga.
Why does Yagi need to make her stronger then awakened Priscilla, what purpose would that serve in terms of the story? Why does Yagi make statements, whether be that Teresa's own thoughts, or Rubel's words to hint at Priscilla has potential to surpass Teresa? Why does recent chapters reinforce again Priscilla's absolute power? It's not just the fight against 2 AO class, but the manner in which she is talking down to awakened Beth and the fact that the parasites seems have no effect on her, are also demonstration of her power. Prob most of us would agree that there will likely be a confrontation between Clare and Priscilla. We won't know if any death will result from it but a fight between the two will prob occur. The story seems to building towards this climax and seems to be accelerating with the rate AOs and AO class beings dying left and right. If much of the story is set up for this eventual confrontation, starting from Clare, Teresa and Priscilla's first encounter; going through Clare's growth while at the same time using Priscilla to break the power balance and set things in motion; having Teresa be a character that is stronger then Priscilla even as a claymore will make all this build up seems kind of pointless. Even if Clare defeat Priscilla, so what? We already know she will win because she inherited Teresa's power and Teresa is much stronger then Priscilla. Not to mention why waste much of the early chapters to set up the power balance and establish AOs being the pinnacle of awaken beings and having the Org's goal to create AO class controllable ABs, if Teresa can pretty much single handedly kill every AB, AO, destroy Org all by herself if she just release more then 10%.
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2009-12-03, 22:39
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It looks like Priscilla is able to concentrate yoki where she needs it. She can harden her fingers to stop an attack. Teresa could have done the same thing when she stop Priscilla with only 10% yoki.
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2009-12-03, 22:49
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 It uses both the words natsukashii and fukai - "familiar" and "deep/profound". It's a puzzling statement, but not inconsistant. As someone pointed out months ago, Clare herself said in the witch's maw arc that "she only felt such youki[Riful's] once before". She was human at the time of Priscilla, and hadn't met an awakened being since then until the slasher's arc. |
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2009-12-03, 23:02
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 I did state that I was asking for new ideas to old concerns... see below...Quote:
It wasn't doubt or anything like that that cause me to post that post, so don't misconstrued me as having doubt on my stance on the issue. I just believe in examining new evidence. I was hoping for new ideas based off the chapter that might have addressed just some of the issues I had with the Rosemary being a full AO (for the record I didn't post all of them). I was trying to reach across the isle and listen to there ideas but giving them a heads up on my current discontent with the notion. Quote:
First off, your incorrect... when Cynthia made the map she said warriors 1-3 were in the center with the weakest Claymore typically near them, also that the other strong warriors were spread out evenly so the power distribution would be consistent. In short... 1-3 where the back up and 4-9 the go to people in each area. It wasn't all the strong warriors in the center and the weak one on the out skirts. Second... Ah, but all attributes are powered by one's yoki. Look at the data book again, every last person listed in there has skills that are about on par with there yoki level. However there are a few exceptions of a warrior having a skill far beyond there yoki level... Clare's sensing ability is C+ but her yoki was an E, Undine's Yoki was a C but her strength an A, Jean having B yoki but a A+ willpower, Miria having a B+ yoki but a A+ Dexterity (speed) and Leadership, Noel with a B yoki but an A+ Dexterity, and Sophia having a B yoki but an A+ strength. The common link is that all of them have a know factor that they specialize in, which far exceeds were the average warrior at there strength should be. With the exception of Jean's willpower and Miria's leadership abilities all there specialized skills should stay far beyond there yoki level if there yoki level was increased, assuming many of them were still alive to increase there yoki level. So to put it another way... sure Clare's yoki sensing skills were weak based on her pitiful yoki in the beginning of the story and when compared to a stronger warrior but it was far beyond what another warrior with the same yoki and no specialization in yoki reading would have. So as she got stronger her sensing ability was always beyond what it should be for a none specialized warrior of the same yoki level. Pluis that C+ is only accurate until Clare's partial awakening and likely got even stronger during the Teresa dream sequence. Also was that supposed to be proof of Teresa being the eyes of the organization... it was all about Clare... Last edited by Ryus; 2009-12-03 at 23:35. |
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2009-12-03, 23:07
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Lol the Teresa vs Priscilla again XD
Seriously this seems like a never ending discussion. On topic this chapter was awesome in terms of action, suspense and proving a point that Prissy owns all. Plus we had that nice Cynthia Yuma moment and I'm really interested in the outcome. Yuma was the weakest of them all and if she's able to pull it of this time it will serve to show that they've really grown a lot in 7 years (not that we din't see that in Rabona and after that as well but still it will be a good example. It will also show their strong bonds. On the Priscilla part I have to pretty much agree with Riful said during this chapter- to have such a thing in this world ...seriously I don't believe it's possible to fight her. I mean she was fighting the twins while they were using their full power in her human form (which is way weaker than her awakened form) and she pretty much killed them in a minute or so. Not only that but the way she was talking to them pretty much showed she doesn't even consider them as oponents at all meaning she could have killed them in a second. She cut of Alicia's head by just putting her hand on it. That's an insane amount of strength. Even the Destryoer (his power level shoud be around 2-3 timse that of an AO since I don't think two AO's combined power in one body could give it much more. At this point though I don't this it stands a chance agains Prissy at all so Clare and the rest fighting her would be pretty much a carnage. Was it just me or in the end Clare didn't recognise the Yoki since she said "what is this yoki" and not something like "It's her" and the likes. Well the one time she saw Prissy she wasn't a Claymore so she shouldn't really know how her yoki feels thus she probably has no idea which makes sense. Maybe we're just being teased and Clare and co will run the hell out of there as fast as they can without even seing Prissy especially considering the Cynthia and Yuma's situation. Plus fighting all those hellcats would take it's toll so sensing something that killed two AO's in a second screams "run" at least to me. Later they might meat Riful who'll say something important to them and then have the big fight...or not. We'll see but this sounds plausable to me. We didn't get to see who Priscilla was talking about from last time though. Also we saw some interesting things about the soul linking and in the end both Alicia and Beth acted on their emotions. It was actually a bit disappointing to see them get killed so fast and easy plus aliked their awakened forms a lot. Well sadly we won't be seing much of them from now on. Wonder what the MiB will do after everything they tried failed completely, or more like the things we know they tried failed. And on the topic of Rosemary being an AO i think she was. It was said that when a Claymore rank 1 awakens it get labeld and AO. I believe Rubel found out about Rosemary and he covered it up. He seems to be working closely with the "eyes" so he could have done it without a problem. If the organization knew about her power they would have had the perfect Claymore to use it the war since she was the most powerful one they've ever seen (stronger that an AO without awakening) and she could be given orders to since she was human and in their care (unlike the AOs) This would have been a problem for Rubel though. At that time Teresa pretty much said it's good to use her yoki once in a while. Even if she realized how strong she was she would never have kille the 3 AO since the organization would have found out about her power. She never used her yoki in front of them so she had a reason to hide it. No idea why though. Also Alicia and Beth are (ok were) AO's and they didn't seem to have any special traints like the other 3 AO and yet they had the same power level. So I don't think that's what makes an AO. Last edited by Joe_fh; 2009-12-03 at 23:19. |
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2009-12-03, 23:12
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Priscilla is stronger than Teresa because... Isley, Riful, Alicia and Beth are weaker than Priscilla... uh huh. What makes you think that Teresa would have not created a similar reaction? As for the decapitation... Priscilla going almost all out 80+% beat a Teresa who was at 0% and off gaurd. That's conclusive proof for you? Do you work for Hadley CRU by any chance? Teresa is stronger, becuase when fighting, she kicked Priscilla's ass, and told us she could do it again anytime Priscilla tried it again. QED. |
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2009-12-03, 23:26
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2009-12-03, 23:34
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careful.... I'm in an anthropology class..... just about to have my finals in it...
if not careful, I may get into a lecture.... (not here though, maybe a PM or whatever, lol) though i didn't know this hadley cru thing is just the group of "politcal evironmentalists" that got their lying propanga (err.. being redundant.. i think as propaganda is lying. the lying lying lol) exposed to the world. so i was disappointed... i thought this actually had something to do with anthropology... lol Last edited by HegemonKhan; 2009-12-03 at 23:48. |
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2009-12-04, 01:44
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2009-12-04, 01:46
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2009-12-04, 02:08
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So you were just naive you say? Because having new ideas about Rosemary after reading this chapter would be the same as having new ideas about Rosemary after reading 5th volume. What's even more funny, you were hoping for new ideas even though you yourself presented only old concerns based only on the fact that Yagi didn't explain it explicitly. They can however be easily and convincingly explained as I've shown. Your counter-argumentation was all about "it's not proof" or writing smilies, i.e. it wasn't even worth responding. Next time just don't bring up Rosemary naively hoping that someone would write new ideas but wait until someone really writes it. Simple as that. |
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2009-12-04, 02:29
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Alicia vs Isley
1. isley was ultimately killed (through their attrition of him for/over ~1 whole year) by the Abyss Feeders. he NEVER destroyed all of them, let alone in a single attack. (Isley < Abyss Feeders) 2. Alicia (probably-seems so) destroyed all the Abyss feeders in a single attack. (Alicia > Abyss Feeders) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- therefore 1: Alicia > Abyss Feeders > Isley therefore 2: Alicia > Isley |
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