2008-12-26, 23:31 | Link #341 |
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I always feel like chiaki and nodame are LEAGUES more entertaining than the bit players that surround them. So yeah, I didnt feel like either cast was anything to write home about. Still they're interesting enough, I just wish soooo much time wasnt spent developing characters that are just "somewhat interesting/entertaining" to begin with.
Besides, that the ending was good enough that I still want to continue with next season and still have the high hopes I had going into this season. The source material is really phenomenol and I can't wait to see how the whole thing wraps up. This is easily the best romance available right now. |
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2008-12-29, 17:49 | Link #343 | |
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I have a feeling the characters in Pari-Hen were much more developed in the manga. Obviously a lot was cut to meet time constraints. |
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2008-12-30, 16:01 | Link #345 | |
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Now, that doesn't excuse the character development in this series, but I found the "gang" this time to be more interesting--only Frank is a "running gag," and Yunlong doesn't even show up. Tanya, Kuroki, and Rui are interesting characters (who I wish they'd done more with. Rui's "I'm pissed and angry and don't like Chiaki and Co. anymore" act was never properly explained, and though I can infer her thought process, I had to think to much. My sister, who I watch this with, had several "huh?" moments, which I had to reason out what happened). |
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2008-12-31, 02:34 | Link #346 |
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NHRV final review has been uploaded:
[NHRV] Nodame Cantabile ~Paris Chapter~ Overall, it ended up as yet another example of the much-maligned J.C. Staff disappointing sequel. 6/10 |
2009-01-01, 21:39 | Link #347 |
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Does anyone know the name of the song the cellist plays at the beginning of the 11th episode? Thanks!
Meanwhile, I feel very dissatisfied with the ending to the second season! Season ones ending was so perfect, it would have been hard to live up to it anyways! |
2009-01-03, 17:27 | Link #349 | |
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2009-01-06, 12:09 | Link #350 |
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For some reason I feel like blaming noitamina, it seems like alot of series during that time slot are 13 episodes, the only exceptions are Honey and Clover and Nodame Cantabile first season. J.C staff tends to be quite nice with episode count, other then Zero no Tsukai, most shows lately they make are 26 episodes. So it could be Fuji TV forcing Pari-hen to be 13 episodes, everyone with a normal understanding of anime pacing, would know that Pari-hen should have been 26 episodes, there are perfectly enough materials to animate. Or Fuji-TV wanted to see how well pari-hen does before deciding giving it more episode count. The next season could also make audience 'look forward' to the two live action movies (first one out at December 2009 and the second one at Spring 2010). (I also blame Fuji TV for not allowing 26 episodes of Toshokan Sensou too).
I think J.C staff did best their at making this 11 episodes, although I still think the live action paris-special in the 4 hour format did a better job (they did skip quite a large arc). J.C staff made alot of little changes, but nothing major...so that's still better then Zero no Tsukaima right?
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OTOH, Nodame Paris is an abridged, but relatively faithful treatment of the original material. I think they did a decent job given the limitations. |
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2009-01-07, 07:07 | Link #353 |
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The whole season was underwhelming. It didn't have the same impact as the first season. The romance between them wasn't good either. It wasn't romantic. It was just plain, average, normal and mediocre. It's something that shouldn't happen and definitely unacceptable in music or any art form- mediocrity is crap.
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2009-01-07, 12:19 | Link #354 |
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Wow alot of people dislike pari-hen. I started pari-hen without watching the first season because I seen the live action drama already. Then I decided to watch the first anime series, I think both season are quite different, most likely because of the director change. Season 1's music scenes are really really really long, I personally wouldn't like sitting through 3 minutes of CG hands playing piano ^_^'' Pari-hen seems to 'get to the point', which in some way makes the first season lovers dislike it, but I think more casual watchers would find it easier to watch.
But I'm totally biased, Chiaki is more dere dere in pari-hen. Male tsunderes <3
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But you are right i think Chiaki has the be male dere dere-est one of them all.
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2009-01-07, 14:52 | Link #357 |
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Chiaki is definately the defination of male tsundere. My last defination of male tsundere was Syaoran from CCS, Dojo-Kyokan from Toshokan Sensou is pretty much tsundere too. Chiaki wins them all. There's alot of male tsunderes in shoujo mangas, they also tend to be the one who ends up with the female lead (the prince-like type always loses).
I can't think on top of my head a male tsundere more tsundere then Chiaki. He has alot of tsun tsun moments, but also alot of dere dere moment, especially when he's engaged in Nodame's piano playing or moments in the the recent manga chapters.
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2009-01-10, 23:15 | Link #358 |
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I watched the first season, then started reading the manga, then watched Pari-hen and enjoyed it. I think it left a bad taste in ppl's mouth because they had to edit so much out to fit the 13 episode limit and the lack of focus on music(didnt know that was such a big deal to fans). I watched it for the characters and romance, and it didnt disappoint me in that sense.
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2009-01-14, 13:15 | Link #359 | |
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At last, I finally found the time to marathon this sequel.
Yes, it's fairly obvious that much of the original material had been drastically abridged to fit an 11-episode storyboard, even to a non-manga reader like me, who hasn't watched the live-action drama either. But then again, I've always felt that the first season wasted several episodes in the middle, meandering around pointlessly in between Stresseman's departure and the setting up of the Rising Star Orchestra. So, having more episodes doesn't necessarily guarantee a better story either. By contrast, Paris-hen was focused on what it takes to be a successful professional musician — it takes talent, hard work and a joy for life. The various musicians featured this season each had to find a perfect balance between these three dimensions, before they could truly find their own voice. Character development clearly took a major hit though. It was hard enough to relate to supporting characters in the first season — it was even harder this time round. But on the plus side, this allowed the romance between Chiaki and Nodame — arguably the biggest draw factor of this series beside its classical music — to take centrestage. As for the other major casualty, the performance scenes, I'm not a big fan of classical music, so their absence is not a major loss to me. It's not that I dislike the genre per se, but rather that I disdain the elitist attitude of many classical-music fans. My outlook on any kind of fine art, from music to sculpture and paintings alike, is that it's meant to be enjoyed, and not to be worshipped upon a pedestal. You don't need special training to know whether something's good — if it makes you laugh; if it makes you cry; if it rips your heart out, that's great art. That, to me, is the whole point of the Chiaki-Nodame dichotomy. Chiaki represents the relentless pursuit of an absolute ideal represented by the sacrosanct intentions of a composer, whereas Nodame — like Mozart apparently — played music simply for the sheer fun of it, etiquette be damned. The former is the perfect — but coldly methodical — follower of trends, while the latter is the creator of fresh new directions in music. Together, they make a complete couple. Paris-hen, in my opinion, explored this dynamic much better than the first season. Overall, Paris-hen was ok. Not brilliant, but entertaining nonetheless. As for why this sequel was so short when it evidently could have used more episodes, I'd hazard a guess: It's the economy, stupid. ======= On a more personal note, Paris-hen reminded me nostalgically of how I found my "own voice" in literary critique, particularly practical criticism of poetry. In my first year of junior college, donkey years ago, my class as a whole struggled to understand what makes a poem great. Our teacher would point out the various mechanics of a poem, including rhyme, meter, alliteration, imagery and theme. We'd diligently apply these tools, but still ended up getting dismal marks for our efforts. It was utterly demoralising. Not surprisingly, many of my classmates grew to hate the subject, believing — as most people would — that the great poets were people who spoke in a coded language that no one but they and their admirers could decipher. I can imagine my teacher's exasperation at the time: "What am I doing wrong? Why don't my students 'get' it?" Looking back, we were not unlike poor Nodame stepping into the Paris Conservatory for the first time. One sunny afternoon though, towards the end of my freshman year, I suddenly "found the light" while I was strolling in a public garden, listening to my thoughts. It was a moment of epiphany: a short, sharp spark of clarity. Eureka! I realised that appreciating a poem is, in essence, no different from appreciating music — any kind of music. I had been so caught up with trying to interpret a poem, that I had quite simply forgotten to ask whether I enjoyed it. If I did, why? If not, why? Understanding comes only after the enjoyment. From that moment of revelation, the world looked different. It was as though a fog had lifted, revealing perspectives I never knew existed — a universe of creative ideas, intertwined in harmony. A good poem is built around a few core themes, relying on a tightly bound structure of words, rhyme, meter and imagery to evoke emotion. It's about delivering emotion through the written word. If it works, an effective poem ought to sound like music to the ear, even though a single note is never played. A good poem doesn't have to deliver a message. Indeed, the message itself is unimportant. It's the emotions that it makes you feel that matter. You don't even have to share the poet's original intentions. Your own interpretation is valid so long as you can support it with evidence. "Strangely, that's rather persuasive. Your musical analysis really takes creativity to a whole new level." — Chiaki, on Nodame's interpretation of Pathetique, Episode 4 Quote:
That, in my opinion, is Paris-hen's core message. It resonates within me because of my life experiences, just as much as the events of the time influenced Romance and Impressionist artists, and correspondingly, their fellow musicians. For this reason alone, I enjoyed this series, despite its many flaws. Art doesn't have to be perfect to be enjoyable. Last edited by TinyRedLeaf; 2009-01-14 at 13:43. |
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