Macross Frontier 2nd Movie: Sayonara no Tsubasa

[uranium235]

^_^
as for as I know. I think this is official one.
next year is 30 years Anniversary. there must be a movie or sth come up. hope new MF coming.

I love A&S love story.

[dreamhunter707]

Do you know anything about what is written on this page: http://www.ftama.com/plusfrontier/illust.html ???
Those illustrations will be only for people who are in fun club or sth like that?

Anyway I'm really curious about Alto as king and Sheryl as Queen... now it looks terrible for me XDDD... but let's wait for bigger size :P

edit: ok, I found what's that: http://www.ftama.com/shop/limited/04.html

[uranium235]

poker card。!!!!

who want to use that!!!! I will put it on my bookshelf ^_^

[KaoruLia]

Happy birthday Ranka!! (I just realized I share the same birthday as her XD)

[uranium235]

Originally Posted by KaoruLia

Happy birthday Ranka!! (I just realized I share the same birthday as her XD)

happy birthday to you !!!!!!

[Yot-chan]

Originally Posted by uranium235

^_^
as for as I know. I think this is official one.

Not really...

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1213

Sorry.

[uranium235]

*_* Now I'm lost.....

[Yot-chan]

Originally Posted by uranium235

*_* Now I'm lost.....

Believe me, you're not the only one. As I said before, I find those little "disclaimers" to be absolutely infuriating...not least because all the technical data was written by Masahiro Chiba, and since he did the background mechanical theorizing for the original series, his word really SHOULD be law here...

[uranium235]

what a sad news for me.. : (

[Yot-chan]

Originally Posted by uranium235

what a sad news for me.. : (

Me, I just marvel at the way they seem to continually give AruSheri fans almost exactly what they want to hear, but never quite manage to push it all the way.

There's a certain artfulness to it, I suppose.

[uranium235]

I just feel like eat a cheese cake with a fly in it................
suck

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by Yot-chan

There's a certain artfulness to it, I suppose.

If by "artfulness" you mean that "they are good at trolling", I just might agree with you.

[Yot-chan]

Originally Posted by uranium235

I just feel like eat a cheese cake with a fly in it................
suck

Hmmm...that's going a little far, isn't it? After all, yesterday, you didn't even know this story existed, right?

Originally Posted by BetoJR

If by "artfulness" you mean that "they are good at trolling", I just might agree with you.

From knowyourmeme.com:

A troll is someone who will state something only with the intention of stirring up controversy. Typically the statement is so absurd that only the most noobish of noobs will get offended and respond.
For example, one might purposefuly spel things wrong or use poor grammar, knowing that this will drive some people crazy, eliciting a response.
A more advanced troll might even spell things wrong in a post criticizing the spelling in someone else’s post, hoping to elicit an angry counter-reaction. Numerous forums and Usenet boards are dedicated to the fine art of what the NYTimes called “manipulating other people’s emotional equilibrium” [trying to remember for sure if they should get the credit]
Trolling can be considered a form of cyberbullying and in video game circles the practice is often called “griefing”.

I still fail to see how ANYTHING in Frontier is "trolling." But we've had this discussion before.

[uranium235]

OK.... I'm too emotional...

but still feel bad. what a nice story... but but. : (

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Me, I just marvel at the way they seem to continually give AruSheri fans almost exactly what they want to hear, but never quite manage to push it all the way.

There's a certain artfulness to it, I suppose.

I suppose it also depends on what kind of fandom they might want to foster...? Given the extremely creative doujinshi tradition in Japan, perhaps they're just leaving it as open as possible for that...

I know that some fans of a certain British phenomenon would prefer that creator to have said LESS about what happened to her characters after the end of the series...

Personally though, at the very least, I'd like to have a certain character's return confirmed for good (or otherwise...)...

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by Yot-chan

From knowyourmeme.com:

A troll is someone who will state something only with the intention of stirring up controversy. Typically the statement is so absurd that only the most noobish of noobs will get offended and respond.
For example, one might purposefuly spel things wrong or use poor grammar, knowing that this will drive some people crazy, eliciting a response.
A more advanced troll might even spell things wrong in a post criticizing the spelling in someone else’s post, hoping to elicit an angry counter-reaction. Numerous forums and Usenet boards are dedicated to the fine art of what the NYTimes called “manipulating other people’s emotional equilibrium” [trying to remember for sure if they should get the credit]
Trolling can be considered a form of cyberbullying and in video game circles the practice is often called “griefing”.

I still fail to see how ANYTHING in Frontier is "trolling." But we've had this discussion before.

I tend to go, generally, for the "fine art of what the NYTimes called 'manipulating other people’s emotional equilibrium'” vibe, when I refer to trolling, myself. Your mileage may vary, tho.

Thank you for shooting your own foot, Gubaba.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

I tend to go, generally, for the "fine art of what the NYTimes called 'manipulating other people’s emotional equilibrium'” vibe, when I refer to trolling, myself.

Hm...I dunno. After the rewatch and movies, I feel like I understand a lot more about what they did...and I'd say that they weren't doing that.

They just want fans to be a bit more observant, reading between the lines and all that.

[Yot-chan]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

I tend to go, generally, for the "fine art of what the NYTimes called 'manipulating other people’s emotional equilibrium'” vibe, when I refer to trolling, myself. Your mileage may vary, tho.

Thank you for shooting your own foot, Gubaba.

Would you agree that ALL good storytelling "manipulates people's emotional equilibrium"?

[uranium235]

Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Would you agree that ALL good storytelling "manipulates people's emotional equilibrium"?

I agree with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by karice67

Hm...I dunno. After the rewatch and movies, I feel like I understand a lot more about what they did...and I'd say that they weren't doing that.

They just want fans to be a bit more observant, reading between the lines and all that.

Hey, I'm only half-joking, here.
I absolutely love the ending of the second movie, by what you guys have shared with us poor japanese-challenged people. And I didn't really mind the end of the TV series all that much, either. Not really one of the "DIE YOU FILTHY HIPPIE" crowd, myself.

However, I can appreciate a good misdirection and (why not?) some artful trolling. Sometimes, I think that's exactly the kind of thing that keeps a product (be it a TV series, a movie, a book, a comic, whatever) fresh in the collective memory of the consuming public.

Nevertheless, Gubaba seems to be indirectly implying that the producers are sort-of-lightly-indirectly trolling a certain percentage of fandom. I find it funny, myself.

Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Would you agree that ALL good storytelling "manipulates people's emotional equilibrium"?

I would, yes. But you're the one who supplied the quote, as regards a definition of what a troll does, not me.
And being manipulative is only so good if it's subtle. Heavy pandering detracts from a product, most of the time.