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2011-10-30, 00:16 | Link #42 | |
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Heracles was a hero yet his only experience was taking on the challenges, most notably, ripping the Nemean Lion apart without even using a blade. THIS berserker is a knight, and I know who in the world he is (sorry but if I touch on that subject, a mod carrying Enkidu will probably arrive). he has skill to be a swordsman but I think he can match Gilgamesh in terms of combat prowess: Gil can throw his weapons and the direct opposite of him, Berserker can simply hold it and it becomes his for the duration in his hand. if hypothesis is correct, if you throw an A class polearm, lets say a naginata, at him and he picks it up, the A class weapon is his to hold as long as it doesnt dissipate. I'm quite surprised Gil didnt take out Ea or bind that knight with Enkidu. lastly, I really love Berserker's armor.
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2011-10-30, 00:24 | Link #43 |
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Hmm...It's a reverse harem for Saber ^_^.
Also, somebody keep saying that F/SN Berserker has 9 to 10 lives. Doesn't he actually have 12 lives? (correct me if I'm wrong). Just want to clear something.
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2011-10-30, 00:27 | Link #44 | |
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2011-10-30, 00:33 | Link #46 | ||
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Zero Berserker's ability to wield other NPs and presumably use them to the level of the weapon requires him to have access to those weapons... Only 2 Servants actually has that kind of access... Gilgamesh and FSN Archer. Thus meaning that in a straight-up battle between Berserkers without Gil or Archer deciding to just leave their weapons around, Zero Berserker wouldn't be able to damage Herakles, and can at best, run him round with superior skill, but insufficient destructive power. Quote:
Full-Stream GoB, Ea and Enkidu are his when he's actually taking things seriously... as in like almost never.
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2011-10-30, 00:37 | Link #48 | ||
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Being dodged countless times, being his size, how can you call him fast? Archer took 2 lives if i recall correctly, guess that makes his noble phantasms all A- ranked or above, and the fact he took two means he was faster, because if not he would have died without taking any of berserkers lives IMO.
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2011-10-30, 00:45 | Link #50 | |||
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Or innate abilities, if you put it in a different way. It's the same as how Archer could hold off Lancer despite being significantly slower than him, because his "Mind's Eye" meant that he's always calm and analytical in battle to overcome differences in physical ability with tactics. Saber has her "Battle Instincts" and natural skill as a knight that allows her to take advantage of her advantages and hold off Berserker despite being weaker in everything. The real best example is actually Assassin/Sasaki. Despite being much weaker in strength compared to every other Servant without even a legendary weapon... he runs round every other Servant in FSN by pure skill in swordsmanship. Quote:
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Heracles builds resistance to anything that had killed him before... even if it's used more potently the 2nd time. How does Zero Berserker kill him the remaining other times without relying on GoB/UBW NPs?
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2011-10-30, 00:46 | Link #51 |
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Let's not assume wielding other things as noble phantasms is Berserkers only noble phantasm. As someone mentioned, he is a knight and wouldn't be so surprising if he has his own weapon.
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2011-10-30, 01:03 | Link #53 | |
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I mean since he can literally use anything there is so long as his master can supply the mana (theoretically) eventually he would wear Hercules down and bring his lives down since he'd be using a different weapon every time no? Then again though all of these servants have various counters/anti-counters and lancer with his anti-magic weapon seems to be the best counter just like Berserker being capable of countering Archer. |
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2011-10-30, 01:08 | Link #54 |
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I think comparisons between the two berserkers are cool and all but to bluntly state, "X > Z" is going nowhere imo. It's really hard to tell who's better as match-ups (versus "ABC" hero) may be favourable for one over the other. I imagine F/Z Berserker would have a better chance against Gil than F/SN Berserker but F/SN Berserker could probably fare better against F/SN Lancer as compared to F/Z Berserker.
Sure, F/SN zerker has probably the better raw strength and the twelve labours to outlast an opponent. It'd be fantastic against certain heroes. F/Z zerker has his unique "imma grab stuff and own with it" NP, that black fog which hides his status / identity / etc (which I don't think gets enough credit. It's certainly troublesome to fight against an unknown opponent with hidden stats in a tactical / psychological fight to the death) and quite possibly one last NP that he has yet to whip out (he pretty much looks like a knight so I'm not surprised if he's gonna pull out some weapon later on in the series). Personally, I'm now a big fan of F/Z zerker but I'm definitely not be putting him ahead of F/SN zerker (or vice versa). I think they're both juggernauts with very different skill sets and abilities.
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2011-10-30, 01:09 | Link #55 | |
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So any noble phantasm that is sufficiently powerful can instant kill FSN Berserker.
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2011-10-30, 01:16 | Link #56 | |||
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Does it scale in accordance to the type of things he hold ( Beretta M9 => E rank, Desert Eagle = D Rank, Anti-Tank Rifle = B rank? ) or is there a set limit to the level of the NP he can turn things to? ( Does Carriers/Jet Fighters become Conceptual Weapons just because he holds them? ) Like I said, if Zero Berserker can upgrade ranks of what he wields as NPs and scales them accordingly... then he's pretty much the 2nd most broken Servant out there. ( Gil will always be the most broken. ) Do note however, that it's not just a matter of transforming normal things to NP. God Hand works like a Conceptual Weapon in the fact that it doesn't just protect, but 'negates' anything below A rank, so it's not just a matter of upping the destructive power. Quote:
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This whole argument is redundant if Zero Berserker possesses something like Excaliblast or Ea, which we know are more than capable of depleting all 12 lives of Heracles in one release.
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2011-10-30, 01:16 | Link #57 | |
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In F/SN, Rin decided to leave her Archer behind just to buy time to escape from Berserker. If she was facing F/Z Berserker instead, would she have done the same? F/Z Berserker is so overrated because of he held Gilgamesh, but that's mostly due to his NP advantage. Overall he is no match against the brute strength of F/SN Berserker. |
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2011-10-30, 01:31 | Link #58 | |
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Spoiler for Later info from wiki on F/Z Berserker's NP:
Also I'm not sure if this would be considered novel spoilers but might as well be safe anyway, the way Zero's "Possesion" NP works is Spoiler for How it works:
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2011-10-30, 01:32 | Link #59 | |
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ie: If he grabs an m16, it'll be a D-rank NP. If he grabs a concrete block, its also a D-rank NP. If Zero Berserker grabs a NP, it retains its current rank. So if he grabbed Excalibur, it'll retain its A++ rank
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