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wow first the announcement of Black Lagoon season 3 and now this! Next season is going to be awesome!
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2008-07-29, 00:06 | Link #163 | |
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I don't really know how they're going to restart the whole Nanoha story with the movie's story. I mean, what things will they cut out and what elements will they leave in? For sure the Jewel Seeds backstory will be shortened, but they need all the time to develop the friendship of Nanoha and Fate. Not to mention the interference of TSAB and Chrono. Maybe Chrono will get to fight Fate...he should get an action sequence in this movie. |
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In that case, there is a high chance that the Nanoha movie will be AU, as unlike Evangelion, Nanoha has sequels that would be contradicted. Quote:
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I have lots of hope for the movie and now I can go on knowing there will be a movie on Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha. With that I saw the character designs and I'm glad they changed Nanoha's barrier jacket (while Fate's almost looks the same.) With that the small additions to their intelligence devices are great. From what I'm seeing at the moment this movie will satisfy most Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha fans. I can't wait to see the fighting animations and the plot fragments they will select for the movie. OH YAH! I wonder what are Arf's, Lindy's and Testarossa's (not Fate) character designs going to be like? I know one thing I'm going to try and do. I need to watch Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha, following A's and then StrikerS. HURRAY!!
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2008-07-29, 03:14 | Link #166 |
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That would be good eh, but it would be better to keep them in reserve to animate the fight of A's or to make an espionnage/military spinoff from Striker's .
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Major decisions I define as plot changes; continuity-killers. You can go and get plastic surgery, even change your gender, but you cannot change who you were and what you did in the past. Similarly, Nanoha's barrier jacket could become green with blue spots, and one would only raise an eyebrow and wonder who in the design team screwed up, when and if they moved on to A's after the film; it's fiction; it's niche animation; and above all, it's theirs to call the shots; give them some damned leniency. However, if Nanoha was to die at the end of the film, killed by Fate, let us say, one wouldn't be able to fathom how she suddenly popped up, (at least) best friends with her apparent murderer if one watched A's after the film. Back to my perception of Tsuzuki's "new parallel history"; it sits well with what I think are Seven Arcs' motives. I believe that either one of the following two things has happened: 1) The lure of riches have become to great; they wish to exploit the yuri empire, that have made quite apparent they will follow where ever Seven's ambiguity will take them (you should have seen the number of Japanese peers - the only market Seven will likely care about - downloading the second NanoFate megapack, and after the US, most visitors to nanofate.net reside in Japan, not to mention the amount of fanart this group has produced; Seven will, certainly, not be blind to the latter). But Seven acknowledge they've toed the line; that they've given us hint after subtle contextual hint, dumped the most questionable scenes on our laps, only to turn around give us unreadable stares when we point and shout, and point out that what we've seen is only our perception. They could just be really, really, really, slightly eccentric, good friends. So, if they are to continue MGLN with an official embrace of NanoFate, they need to go back and fill in some blanks, flesh out some scenes (show us some shots where previously the camera was off/pointing in the wrong direction/at another location ). 2) They've become sick and tired of the yuri labeling. Nanoha and Fate's behavior is completely normal. That bridge scene? Bah, the animators did the same thing when they were kids. Sleeping in the same bed, Fate in underwear? That's what friends do right? I mean, sure, the girls I know all sleep together communally in turn. And raising a child is completely normal for two friends to do; I mean, right to foster a child would certainly be granted to two people who, when asked if they were a couple, replied: "No, no, heh. Just best friends." ... So, they didn't ask for the attention, and now they've got a load of fanboys and fangirls following them around like some lost puppy, shooting them wide-eyed, pleading looks whenever they turn around. What to do? Kick the puppy. Teach it that if it stays around, it's going to get hurt. (Yes, I made the latter deliberately hyper-biased for the sake of amusement. Don't take it (entirely) seriously ) Either way, they are making a firm decision where MGLN will be going in the future. They knew, sooner or later, ambiguity would turn interest to annoyance, stagnate mystery. Something had to be done to prevent this, and a film is short, and can make them some nice profits (as a TV series wouldn't). Perfect. Of course, I could end up utterly incorrect. If that is the case, I'll eat my words come December and admit how wrong I was. EDIT: Um... wow... I wrote a mini-essay without even realising it. Well, I said I was going to come back with a big bag of conjecture in my first post in the the thread, didn't I? |
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Looking at the series though, filling-the-gaps becomes hard. The series is thirteen episodes long, shortening that down to two hours means that you will be cutting a lot of material. Its possible, there are a lot of scenes in Nanoha that can be cut without affecting the plot, but where you would get the time to add more material is a mystery to me. If you want to keep all the characters and the storyline preserved as it is, there is very little room for new scenes, if any at all. To do so would mean cutting out, or seriously rewrite, several other key events and characters. Then there is the fact that Tsuzuki said this is not the "true history" (I'm leaving out the 'not necissarily', as this may be interpretation of the author of the ANN article. Someone correct me if I'm wrong) this, combined with the "parallel history" part, shapes the meaning of the later. The parallel history is not the true history, in other words, its a timeline that, while it follows the same frame of time (it happens around the same period) it is not the same. Ruling out any significant changes in plot becomes impossible. Quote:
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And this is where they stumbled. The former parts were all perfectly ambigious, but to fix the Fate-mama debacle, they had to make it abundantly clear that Nanoha was the mother, and not Nanoha and Fate, afterwards. They took the fanservice one step too far, to the point where it became hard to believe it was 'just' fanservice. Quote:
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The major reason to make a film at this stage was to correct an error of some kind in previous series, hence my belief that Seven will finally state their stance on relationships (as it is the only major "problem" with MGLN that springs to mind). Look at the new(ish) GitS: SAC film; there wasn't anything that could really be considered new, nor much plot or indeed reason to watch it for those that weren't really concerned with GitS' direction; all the studio really wanted to do was fix the stereotypical "story goes boom" ending for 2nd GIG that they added for maximum impact. Certainly had me on the edge of my seat. But, at the end of the day, plot-death doesn't bode well for profits when you're dealing with a flagship series, so they go ahead and make a film to show that all really ends well - leading up to further, inevitable continuation. I'm convinced Gainax are doing the exact same thing with NGE, and that Seven Arcs' will continue the tradition in much the same vein. It's not a question of what I want, it's a question of leading by example. The proven masters do it, and so, therefore, everyone else will copy. Let us not forget money is a massive factor; without it, Seven can't do what they enjoy. They are not out just to make a good story, but to create a commercial success. Thus, I do not expect any plot changes that would damage continuity. You Are (Not) Alone was given good reviews, certainly, but people complained they'd seen it all before; nothing was new; it was a faithful, extremely attractive retelling of the first six episodes. Film is not a place to experiment; you're putting a lot of money on the line when you start out, and you can only guess at how people will receive your vision. If the original was successful, they'll do the exact same thing again. They know people will go and see it. Sure, some will complain afterward that nothing new happened, but the studio will have fixed their problem, and the fans will forget all that prior nastiness when the continuation that was being lead up to is released. Quote:
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2008-07-29, 06:32 | Link #173 | ||
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And no, it wouldn't be better to do a StrikerS movie; as you have previously argued many a time that films provide little time to working with; I believe that a fourth season will be forthcoming after this film, starting from a point fans would have though questionable (had this film not filled in a few blanks/rewritten some prior events). Besides, a personal preference on the part of the staff will sway things a little; not everything is cold, hard analysis; maybe they wished to return to a work they felt they could have done to a superior standard. Maybe, to them, the first season sits there, a blemish on the franchise, and they wish to correct it, hmm? Quote:
Notice, if you will, how other characters in Nanoha behave far more like Japanese people. I don't know if you've been to Japan, conversed with a Japanese individual, or researched their culture and history, but the storyteller's bias will always shine though. It's natural. There are certainly outgoing, extrovert Japanese; people very like Nanoha. But culture always has a grip; on the storyteller, on the animator, on the character; Nanoha may dry the tears on a friend's cheek, but the laws of culture than govern her have deeper root. I've been hugged rather spontaneously when I was looking very depressed by one of my Japanese friends - something so unexpected I was utterly lost for words, but when you spend time around them, they still never blow their nose in the street, never talk on their phone on a train or bus, always queue on the platform before they board a train, and would never, ever kiss in public. |
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... How did we get from talking about the movie to our opinions on NanoFate anyway? |
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2008-07-29, 06:59 | Link #176 |
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*watches the spectacle with a bag of popcorn*
About time you guys noticed. Want some? >:3 As for the movie, to be honest, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. Hopefully they'd do A's as well; it was the season that got me interested after all; despite being an ardent Fate fan, I've never finished S1.
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