(L+CR) Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (movie & TV)

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Interestingly a shot from Yamato's Shock Cannons hit about the same spot on the same ship type and does this:



No shield reaction at all and the ship breaks in half.

Perhaps Iscandar weapons technology is exceptionally good at bypassing shields? Or just so powerful that it can brute force past it completely. Perhaps the shield shimmer effect only manifests if it's successfully diverting an incoming blast. In episode 2, conventional shock cannon shells took out that Gamilon carrier, and in that fight video you could see the smaller secondary turret doing allot of damage to that Gamilon ship.




(Of course another thing to consider is that these seem to be destroyers (160 meters long), as opposed to the larger ship in that image flipping the shot (270 meters). Still, given the excessive over penetration seen here, I don't think even the larger Gamilon ships would stand up to well to shock cannon fire.



edit: Then again, looking at it...it doesn't look like the smaller shock cannons were penetrating the Gamilon ship. At least not catastrophically. Each shock cannon shell seems to have somewhat flattend against the hull armor, causing big craters to be punched into the hull of the ship. The sound effects made it sound like the ship was getting more hammered than pierced.


I'd say Gamilon ships are VERY heavily armored behind the ship, like Beatles. These ships don't come apart easily without tremendous force. Human beam weapons being ineffective at the battle of pluto seems that it might possibly be a dual factor of how strong the shielding was, and how thick the under hull was.

[Ithekro]

Looking over the Battle of Pluto, the Gamilon weapons don't have much force behind them either. They either punch a small hole though a ship (the tiny destroyers tend to have hull plates fly off from the impact point, but the cruisers don't) or slash across the hull like the later Reflex Gun is seen doing. The Kirishima tilts slightly from one of the more solid sounding impacts...only slightly more than the Gamilon ships tilted from the impact of the Earth weapons.

So it is likey the Gamilon weapons are not that much more powerful than the Earth weapons at Pluto...just the Gamilon ships are bigger, possibly better made, and have shields to deflect some of the Earth weapon's energy. The torpedoes from Yukikaze destroyed one of their Destroyers like it was nothing, which again makes me think the shields only effect energy and explosions and not physical impacts.

That would account for why most times Yamato is in real danger, it is Gamilon bombers causing the damage. Shields might not be effective against them. We will see sometime later if this is true or not.

Yamato's shock cannons gave a rather solid impact on the Gamilon warships and the shells, while doing less, seemed to get the job done. That warship seemed to slowly lose power before it hit the surface and exploded from the impact. Most of the others seemed to lose power as they were hit and exploded. Means there is something vital to their power systems in the nose area.

A Note: according the the Japanese Wiki on this show, the Carrier that Yamato destroyed with shells from the heavy shock cannon was 350m long.

[Kamijou Touma IB]

The music for this show is so great I love the new version of the Universe Spreading To Infinity.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Yamato's shock cannons gave a rather solid impact on the Gamilon warships and the shells, while doing less, seemed to get the job done. That warship seemed to slowly lose power before it hit the surface and exploded from the impact. Most of the others seemed to lose power as they were hit and exploded. Means there is something vital to their power systems in the nose area.

That seems likely, given that the Yamato aimed for the nose in three instances. Known weak point?

[Shinji103]

Oh sweet, sweeeeet nostalgia. Those videos of the fighter launches and the Wave Motion Gun really bring back the old mojo, compiled with using the classic sound effects and music.

So from the preview of episode 4 it looks like we may be hitting some good KodaixYuuki screentime already. But there's definitely a hint of something from the quick smile they gave each other in the episode 7 preview.

And I like how they've mixed things up a bit by bringing in more female characters, especially bringing in Yamamoto's sister as a pilot to keep them from being all "bridge-bunny" characters. Even for the 60s/70s, having the crew be entirely male with just one single female crew member was.........odd. And as I recall, Yamamoto started off as a rookie at the beginning of original Yamato, so we're probably looking at the new Yamamoto growing up tot he be same great pilot her brother was in the original. Great move, studio.

Oh sweet nostalgia, thy name is AWESOME. 11 days until volume 2 comes out.........

[macdawson]

Yamamoto didn't have any coverage in the original Quest for Iscandar except for one scene in episode 4 when his fighter was damaged and almost missed the Yamato's first warp. I don't know if he was even named on that scene and they messed up his uniform, painting it with Kodai's colors. In Star Blazers they mistakingly called him Conroy and dubbed his lines with Conroy's voice. XD

Also, she isn't the sister of the original character that has been killed in this version. She IS Akira Yamamoto, only here he is a she and had a brother.

[macdawson]

A few more videos surfaced at Nico Video, 3 are stuff repeated stuff (will go to that), but the other 3 are new and pure gold. Lets start with those:

Ep.04 - Yamamoto takes the Cosmo Zero to stop a tank attack:

Ep. 05 and 06 - Fan edited scenes featuring the Reflex Gun (note: besides the drooling that this got me to do, spot the massive homage to "Final Yamato", i literaly started clapping when i saw that. Well, played, Mr. Izubushi...well played):

Ep. 06 - The Yamato takes the battle to the Gamilas (note: notice the Gaiderol's warping, guess that's how the Yamato's warps will look in the future)

Now the repeated stuff.

Ep. 03 - Warp briefing, just because the image is now clean, sounds a bit wonky though...

The other 2 are part of the video with the battle and WMG firing at the Floating Continent. However, the video was at about 4:3 ratio, these 2 are closer to 16:9, though the bit between the 2 scenes is missing Any way:

Go and enjoy these while they're up.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by macdawson

Ep.04 - Yamamoto takes the Cosmo Zero to stop a tank attack:

Why did they bring along a giant unwieldy self propelled laser cannon that can't kill Gamilon tanks? Was it some piece of engineering equipment? Though given that the cannons on the fighters could kill the tanks with top down attacks (where vehicle armor tends to be weaker), I'd guess the much larger laser things aren't actually weapons.


In retrospect, given how much time they in preparation for this Yamato mission, it does seem strange they didn't have a Marine contingent on hand for these kind of things.

Originally Posted by macdawson

Ep. 06 - The Yamato takes the battle to the Gamilas (note: notice the Gaiderol's warping, guess that's how the Yamato's warps will look in the future)

We're getting more emphasis at how easily the Yamato can one shot Gamilus ships. I saw one of those shock shells pass through and kill two ships.

I think this is another category behind "fixed defenses aren't very useful against Yamato".

[macdawson]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Why did they bring along a giant unwieldy self propelled laser cannon that can't kill Gamilon tanks? Was it some piece of engineering equipment? Though given that the cannons on the fighters could kill the tanks with top down attacks (where vehicle armor tends to be weaker), I'd guess the much larger laser things aren't actually weapons.

I think that laser is a piece of mining equipment they're using to cut through the ice and whatever mineral they're trying to extract from Enceladus. But when they were attacked they got creative and... well, no harm in trying, right?

[Roger Rambo]

In response to the episode 4 preview...




You REALLY know this is going to be a retro styled series when you have scenes like this.

[YF19EX]

Nice to see anime studio's are instilling proper trigger discipline in the characters.

[Ithekro]

The Gamilas are going to need bigger ships. Or just more powerful ones if they are going to stop Yamato.


If that is just one Earth ship, imagine a fleet of ships using that technology. And what power would be needed to fight that sort of fleet. Dessler will need to up his game, or find allies that have more powerful toys.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The Gamilas are going to need bigger ships. Or just more powerful ones if they are going to stop Yamato.

I'm not sure bigger ships will be all that helpful with shielding that doesn't do jack to stop the Yamato's guns. The Yamato guns are MASSIVELY over killing the Gamilon destroyers in terms of penetration and brute force. This level of catastrophic damage applied to a ship 4x as big would still leave the ship mission killed.

Look at the smaller shock cannons hitting the gamilon destroyer. Wasn't totally annihilated, but it still got destroyed. I'm somewhat leaning towards this happening with the other gamilon ships...well, and there's the fact that ANY giant ship big enough to shrug off shock cannons is basically wave motion gun bait.


the Gamilons would have better luck hoping to get their hands on some crazy super tech to build a ship to counter the Yamato. Like the race for Iron clads in the american Civil war.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

If that is just one Earth ship, imagine a fleet of ships using that technology. And what power would be needed to fight that sort of fleet. Dessler will need to up his game, or find allies that have more powerful toys.

The Gamilons...would be screwed against a fleet of Earth ships like this. Mainly because such a fleet could take turns firing off the wave motion guns, so they could be firing them constantly in space battles.

Lets keep in mind that ONE of these ships wrecked the gamilon empire. And the only reasons the Gamilons had any hope was because there was always the chance of ambushing, or hitting the Yamato hard enough. Even a small squadron removes that hope.


4-5 Yamato style ships could clear out entire fortified star system civilizations like it was nothing if they were ruthless enough with their wave motion guns.

[Ithekro]

And the 2201 Earth Fleet supposedly has something like 40 capital ships. Plus cruisers that have wave motion guns as well. And lighter vessels with shock cannons.

Plus Yamato and Andromeda.



Well there are options in dealing with Yamato and her like.

Spoiler for Possible future events:

Mass firepower. This only sometimes works as Yamato's shields seem to be fairly good, plus the enemy gunners suck.

Massive firepower. Desslar Cannon. Again has problems with Yamato's shield as it is basically a ship mounted, wave motion powered Reflex Gun.

Improved massive firepower. Match Yamato's weaponry or improve on it.

Mass Desslar Cannons. (never tried really) Some other races tried things like that, but it was to the overpowered Yamato. Never get into a special weapon duel with Yamato's Wave Motion Gun....it wins the arguements. Or if you do...surround Yamato first....don't come at it all from one direction. (or course then it will Warp and you'll just blast your own fleet with your own special weapons...as it tradition.)

Mass missiles. This works to a point. Yamato has very good defensive batteries.

Mass bomber attack. This works as well. Best when using transporter like devices.

Outrange Yamato with heavy weaponry. Comet Empire pulls this on the Earth Fleet as their normal weapons seem to be just as good as the Gamilon weapons.

Dimentional torpedoes...from subspace submarines. (Galman Empire)

Shields that can defeat the shock cannons (Dark Nebula capital ships)

Traps. Lots and lots of clever traps that strip Yamato of her advantages.

Or the final option...Peace. Make peace with Yamato. Then you can trade rescue efforts. One day Yamato saves you, the next you save Yamato. At least now it isn't firing at you anymore.

If the timeline continues more or less per normal..."Yamato 2199" is the underpowered Yamato. The "Yamato 2201" Yamato is the regular powered Yamato. The one were the kinks have been worked out and they can use everything like an elite unit. The "Yamato 2202/Be Forever, Yamato" and beyond could be considered the overpowered Yamato. The one that can do continuous warps...blow up massive space stations with just shock cannon fire, and take out massive fleets and dwarf planets with the Wave Motion Gun that doesn't need hardly any time to power up...all without really being in danger. Basically doing what it does to the Gamilon fleet in this series...but can one shot massive capital ships easily.

And that's before the 2220 based film (2009) with the Yamato with the rapid fire, six shooter Wave Motion Gun.

None of that might come to pass with the remake.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

And the 2201 Earth Fleet supposedly has something like 40 capital ships. Plus cruisers that have wave motion guns as well. And lighter vessels with shock cannons.

Plus Yamato and Andromeda.

Desslar...

[Ithekro]

Least he learned from his mistakes.

Lessons for Next Time
From: http://www.desslok.com/yamato.htm

Spoiler for Desslok Humor and long:

Lessons for Next Time

1. Next time, I will refuse to be filmed in bad lighting for nearly half a season. Blue IS beautiful.
2. The next time I see a planet I want to in habit, I will not first ruin it with radiation bombs. It just ruins the charm of the place.
3. Next time, I will think twice about staffing my Pluto base on Gamilon with idiots.
4. Next time, I will think twice about staffing my Beeland base on Gamilon with locals.
5. Next time, I will think twice about staffing my Balan base on Gamilon with egomaniacs.
6. Next time I will realise that we had a Gamilon base on Pluto, not a Pluto base on Gamilon.
7. The next time I encounter an enemy stupid enough to go crawling into a consipcuous-looking "tunnel satellite", I will know that they are probably not nearly the threat to my security that I had at first thought them to be.
8. The next time I am unexpectedly called back when I am about to defeat my enemy, I will defeat my enemy first, and afterwords seriously consider not returning to whomever calls. I repeat: Next time, pull the trigger BEFORE exchanging jokes and the latest gossip!
9. The next time I choose to build my headquarters on a planet, I will consult the local flood tables and reject any world that has even the slightest chance of being in the path of an oncoming galaxy.
10. The next time I build an empire from scratch, I will not staff its highest-ranking officers with local lackies who have no idea who my friends and enemies are.
11. The next time I build an empire from scratch, I will declare that any apparitions of divine women are really visitations from the "other side" of my own divinity.
12. The next time someone names a weapon using my name, it will have been thoroughly tested first.
13. The next time anyone tries to tell me who my "brightest generals" are, I will shoot them.
14. The next time any of my generals remind me of Abott and Costello or in any way make me laugh, I will shoot them before it is too late.
15. The next time I go for my massage from the men in my pool chamber, I will stay above the water. Have you any idea how shriveled one gets wading in the pool for so long?
16. The next time I develop a romantic interest in the leader of a nearby world, I will make sure that that leader does not have a doomsday weapon to hold over my head.
17. The next time I become supreme ruler of the galaxy, I will listen to the advice of my closest interplanetary neighbour.
18. Nevertheless, the next time I become supreme ruler of the galaxy, if I fail to listen to the advice of my closest interplanetary neighbour, and I learn that my neighbour is inviting my enemy on a course by my home world, then I will first move to another planet (just to be safe), and then quitely invade my neighbour's world and destroy whatever device my enemy is seeking from them.
19. Nevertheless, the next time I become supreme ruler of the galaxy, and my interplanetary neighbour does manage to invite my enemy by my doorstep, despite any other efforts I may take, I will NOT drag my enemy to my home planet, as it passes by, to defeat it there.
20. Nevertheless, the next time I fail to heed my own advice, and do drag my enemy to my own planet, I will first have thought not to hang my arsenal of missiles directly above my central headquarters city.
21. Nevertheless, the next time I fail to heed my own advice, and do drag my enemy to my own planet, I will first have thought to drag my enemy to an inflatable balloon planet instead.
22. The next time my advisor suggests that I am acting obsessively, and that my campaign to stop my enemy has grown so obsessive that I fail to consider greater concerns, I will listen to him instead of shooting him in the back.
23. The next time someone laughs at his own jokes, I will do worse to him than just show him out the door of my throne room.
24. Next time I will consider twice the wisdom of releasing a matter-consuming gas into my throne chamber with my entourage.
25. The next time I learn that my benefactors have planted a spy on my ship, I will at least not allow his transmissions to reach those for whom he is spying.
26. Starflies? They're quite amusing. But anyone who suggests they be let loose in the proximity of my own ships will be shot... BEFORE they can do so.
27. The next time I am 1 second away from pulling the trigger that will bring my enemy to complete destruction and defeat, I will not stop to deliver a taunting speech to them over the video screen, thereby wasting my precious advantage of surprise, and allowing my enemy to escape.
28. Next time, I'll consider the possibility that the people of another world might be capable of feeling the same kind of love that I feel for Gamilon -- before I try to destroy that world.
29. Next time, I not drink a toast to my victory until I have actually acheived my victory.
30. Next time, I will assure myself and others that the only battle that counts is the last one.
31. Next time, I will remember that love is the first casualty of a war.
32. Next time, I will remember that if you want something done, you have to shoot somebody yourself.
33. Next time, I will remember that sometimes simple solutions are the best.
34. The next time I will realize that having my forces kill the sister of my romantic interest is NOT a good way to impress my romantic interest.
35. The next time I will not underestimate my enemy, even if they are flying in an antiquated wreck.
36. The next time I will remember there is no such thing as a perfect plan.
37. The next time I warp myself into another dimension, I will not swear my allegiance to the first group of people who rescue me from there.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by macdawson

Yamamoto didn't have any coverage in the original Quest for Iscandar except for one scene in episode 4 when his fighter was damaged and almost missed the Yamato's first warp. I don't know if he was even named on that scene and they messed up his uniform, painting it with Kodai's colors. In Star Blazers they mistakingly called him Conroy and dubbed his lines with Conroy's voice. XD

Also, she isn't the sister of the original character that has been killed in this version. She IS Akira Yamamoto, only here he is a she and had a brother.

Hm, I guess I forgot a few things. Though Yamamoto was specificall named back when his fighter was damaged in original Yamato. (I just watched the movie compilation the other day; I guess that caused a bit of my confusion )

[Ithekro]

Yamamoto was named in the original, but that was his only appearance until the fifth episode of the second season (well actually he appeared again first in the second film, that the second season was based on, but his first appearance after the first season episode four was the same scene in both productions). His role was expanded in that season somewhat.

Be interesting to see if this new Yamamoto will have a similar role by Yamato 2201 (she'd be interesting in a fist fight with some marines).

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Yamamoto was named in the original, but that was his only appearance until the fifth episode of the second season (well actually he appeared again first in the second film, that the second season was based on, but his first appearance after the first season episode four was the same scene in both productions). His role was expanded in that season somewhat.

That's what I mean. I got it a bit confused from the compilation movie. (I don't actually own the original series sadly , I saw it a long while ago)

[kimpleng]

Is this series truly only showed in theatre? I really like this Yamato 2199 but not really like waiting. Just like Gundam Unicorn. But there is short youtube video posted by macdawson. I'm curious from where the uploader get the material.