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SaintessHeart · 2012-10-03, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Bri

Not much use, a background in engineering, science or production techniques doesn't bring any advantage to economic policy making. At the core it's all just understanding applied math and statistics.

It's an interesting group Romney has gathered, but fairly skewed towards free-market oligarchy hardliners.

Fixed. They saw how well Gazprom is doing in their old enemy's land and wanted the same thing too.

A free market is fine. So is capitalism. But corporatism and plutocracy isn't.

Vexx · 2012-10-03, 19:20

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

A free market is fine. So is capitalism. But corporatism and plutocracy isn't.

Requoted for great truth. There really IS a difference.

Sumeragi · 2012-10-03, 19:37

At least I know Mankiw isn't an oligarchist.

Mr. DJ · 2012-10-03, 20:00

Sarah Palin is trying to stay relevant

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Many of you have seen the 2007 speech in which then-Senator Obama suggested that because of racism the federal government didn’t waive the Stafford Act to assist New Orleans after Katrina. What you may not know is that 10 days before Senator Obama gave this speech, the federal government did in fact waive the Stafford Act for New Orleans. And to add insult to injury, Barack Obama was one of 14 senators who actually voted against the bill that included the provision to give supplemental emergency assistance to New Orleans. In other words, he was being dishonest and divisive, which is behavior we’ve sadly seen far too often from him in the last four years.

james0246 · 2012-10-03, 20:24

Romeny is commanding the stage. He's being very loose with facts, and the sopihstry is strong within him, but he is still commanding the stage. He's eloquent and persuasive without being too domineering. Quite strong. I will say that he needs to look into the camera more (he talks to the President too much, not the people).

No moderation from Jim Lehrer, though.

Xacual · 2012-10-03, 20:34

I can't stand listening to it. Both of them were annoying the hell out of me. Romney's continuing "of being loose with facts" as james put it just gets on my nerves.

james0246 · 2012-10-03, 20:58

As the "debate" continues, Romney is becoming more domineering (and weirdly smug for someone that isnlying or at least omitting the truth quite a bit), especially as he cavalierly interupts Lehrer and Obama (Lehrer has been just awful as a moderator). But, Obama has been way too laid back. He definitely has more facts on his side, but he has been unable or unwilling to actually act on his actual facts.

Vexx · 2012-10-03, 21:15

yes, I predicted Lehrer would fail... he can't keep control. Someone with more authority and strength is needed for this sort of thing. Romney's "centrist veneer" is cratering and I'm wondering how many extreme right wingers he's scaring. otoh, Obama has missed a half dozen chances to skewer Romney myths (e.g. the $700B nonsense).

Romney is at his best when he's not ACTUALLY SAYING anything ... in other words, wrapping himself in flag and country instead of providing answers.

NinjaRealist · 2012-10-03, 21:19

Lehrer has really done an abysmally bad job moderating this debate. Maybe he is shook up over the scandal that destroyed his lying, cheat, son but there is really no excuse for this kind of performance at a presidential debate.

james0246 · 2012-10-03, 21:23

It's kind of weird that Romney took up 60 + percent of the time.

Obama has failed in terms of truly stating his points, and he has allowed Romney to run all over him. By acting like an adult (and not the smirking silliness that Romney has slowly become during the course of this debate), he has been lost in Romney's flow.

Xagzan · 2012-10-03, 21:26

This is embarrassing to watch. I wonder how many pages Romney's lies and omissions of truth tonight could fill.

Vexx · 2012-10-03, 21:26

Fact numbers that both sides were using:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/us...y-numbers.html

The problem is --- when Romney plays "CEO who isn't used to being interrupted" it takes a lot of energy to skewer each bit of nonsense. And Obama didn't do as well as he needed, imo.

james0246 · 2012-10-03, 21:30

I expect Obama has decided to let the Economic debate slide (it was always going to be his weakest area, so he could have decided to minimize the damage) so as to focus on the foreign policy and townhall debates.

speedyexpress48 · 2012-10-03, 21:31

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Originally Posted by james0246

As the "debate" continues, Romney is becoming more domineering (and weirdly smug for someone that isnlying or at least omitting the truth quite a bit), especially as he cavalierly interupts Lehrer and Obama (Lehrer has been just awful as a moderator). But, Obama has been way too laid back. He definitely has more facts on his side, but he has been unable or unwilling to actually act on his actual facts.

Sometimes being too nice of a guy could hurt you, like what's happening to Obama right now.

Romney is acting like a total ass, but I don't think Obama has the strength to stand up to him...

Vexx · 2012-10-03, 21:32

Given the way many viewers use gut instead of head, we can assume that Romney smirk might make more difference than what Obama says (see prior president debates for likewise failing moments).

KiraYamatoFan · 2012-10-03, 21:50

I must say I'm very disappointed at how Obama didn't throw his weight around to try KO Romney with more punch in his arguments early on. Is it some trend for running-for-re-election presidents to let the first debate slip like that?

Just stop being nice already, Barack. Just make the challenger taste the floor next time.

SaintessHeart · 2012-10-03, 21:53

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Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

I must say I'm very disappointed at how Obama didn't throw his weight around to try KO Romney with more punch in his arguments early on. Is it some trend for running-for-re-election presidents to let the first debate slip like that?

Just stop being nice already, Barack. Just make the challenger taste the floor next time.

Obama, always with his sense of humour, is trying to get Romney to talk himself into oblivion. Using solely the pressure of inaction.

An age old tactic of social engineering that never fails against a know-nothing.

flying ^ · 2012-10-03, 22:18

The only logical conclusion after this debate....

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Originally Posted by Michael Moore

People Should Start to Practice the Words 'President Romney'.

SaintessHeart · 2012-10-03, 22:25

They should be practicing "Four legs good, two legs better."

Ithekro · 2012-10-03, 22:29

I've never had anything nice to say about Michael Moore. I still don't.

2012-10-03, 20:34	Link #886
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	I can't stand listening to it. Both of them were annoying the hell out of me. Romney's continuing "of being loose with facts" as james put it just gets on my nerves. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2012-10-03, 21:15	Link #888
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	yes, I predicted Lehrer would fail... he can't keep control. Someone with more authority and strength is needed for this sort of thing. Romney's "centrist veneer" is cratering and I'm wondering how many extreme right wingers he's scaring. otoh, Obama has missed a half dozen chances to skewer Romney myths (e.g. the $700B nonsense). Romney is at his best when he's not ACTUALLY SAYING anything ... in other words, wrapping himself in flag and country instead of providing answers. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-10-03, 21:26	Link #892
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Fact numbers that both sides were using: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/us...y-numbers.html The problem is --- when Romney plays "CEO who isn't used to being interrupted" it takes a lot of energy to skewer each bit of nonsense. And Obama didn't do as well as he needed, imo. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-10-03, 21:32	Link #895
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Given the way many viewers use gut instead of head, we can assume that Romney smirk might make more difference than what Obama says (see prior president debates for likewise failing moments). __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-10-03, 22:25	Link #899
SaintessHeart NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~ Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35	They should be practicing "Four legs good, two legs better." __________________ When three puppygirls named after pastries are on top of each other, it is called Eclair a'la menthe et Biscotti aux fraises avec beaucoup de Ricotta sur le dessus. Most of all, you have to be disciplined and you have to save, even if you hate our current financial system. Because if you don't save, then you're guaranteed to end up with nothing.

2012-10-03, 19:37	Link #883
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	At least I know Mankiw isn't an oligarchist.

2012-10-03, 20:24	Link #885
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	Romeny is commanding the stage. He's being very loose with facts, and the sopihstry is strong within him, but he is still commanding the stage. He's eloquent and persuasive without being too domineering. Quite strong. I will say that he needs to look into the camera more (he talks to the President too much, not the people). No moderation from Jim Lehrer, though.

2012-10-03, 20:58	Link #887
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	As the "debate" continues, Romney is becoming more domineering (and weirdly smug for someone that isnlying or at least omitting the truth quite a bit), especially as he cavalierly interupts Lehrer and Obama (Lehrer has been just awful as a moderator). But, Obama has been way too laid back. He definitely has more facts on his side, but he has been unable or unwilling to actually act on his actual facts.

2012-10-03, 21:19	Link #889
NinjaRealist Battoru! Join Date: Sep 2012	Lehrer has really done an abysmally bad job moderating this debate. Maybe he is shook up over the scandal that destroyed his lying, cheat, son but there is really no excuse for this kind of performance at a presidential debate.

2012-10-03, 21:23	Link #890
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	It's kind of weird that Romney took up 60 + percent of the time. Obama has failed in terms of truly stating his points, and he has allowed Romney to run all over him. By acting like an adult (and not the smirking silliness that Romney has slowly become during the course of this debate), he has been lost in Romney's flow.

2012-10-03, 21:26	Link #891
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	This is embarrassing to watch. I wonder how many pages Romney's lies and omissions of truth tonight could fill.

2012-10-03, 21:30	Link #893
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	I expect Obama has decided to let the Economic debate slide (it was always going to be his weakest area, so he could have decided to minimize the damage) so as to focus on the foreign policy and townhall debates.

2012-10-03, 21:50	Link #896
KiraYamatoFan Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal, QC, Canada Age: 40	I must say I'm very disappointed at how Obama didn't throw his weight around to try KO Romney with more punch in his arguments early on. Is it some trend for running-for-re-election presidents to let the first debate slip like that? Just stop being nice already, Barack. Just make the challenger taste the floor next time.

2012-10-03, 22:29	Link #900
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I've never had anything nice to say about Michael Moore. I still don't. __________________