2010-04-24, 13:30 | Link #8961 | |
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2010-04-24, 13:33 | Link #8962 |
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There's mine. Battler fall fall falls off the boat and drowns while Erika falls off and doesn't. However Jessica is the Actual Battler born from Asumu allowing her to be rescued by Kanon. This carries the birth plot over to episode 6, which I think gives Chiru some consistency.
EDIT: I originally thought after reading episode 5 that I was going to have to deny Battler's existence later since he's a wizard now and he was supposed make a game like Beatrice. So that's part of the reason I was prepared for this idea.
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2010-04-24, 13:57 | Link #8963 | |
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……真実の魔女、古戸ヱリカ……。……真実の魔女とは、……真実に堪える魔女、………です。……私はようや く、 ……自分の本当の真実を、……受け入れられそうなんです………。」 "I am... ...the Witch of Truth, Furudo Erika.... ...The Witch of Truth is... a witch who can stand up to... the truth. I think I can finally... ...accept the real truth... about myself...." There's also the bit about her dying from conceptual negation poisoning, and how her dripping blood turns to golden rose petals. And then a bit later: ヱリカとベアトたち双方は、何も宣言し合わず、静かに真実の弾丸を装填する。 ……銃口に詰める真実の色は、双方、赤…。 双方は何も言葉を交わさずとも、……互いが何を切り札にするか、@理解しているというのか… …。 Erika and Beato said nothing to each other, silently loading bullets of truth. ...The truths they packed into the muzzles of their guns were both... red.... Did this mean that even though they hadn't exchanged words at all, ...they each knew what the other's trump card was...? |
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2010-04-24, 14:10 | Link #8964 | |
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Beato and Erika have two different answers that create these final reds. Beato's answer is the truth she has to accept about herself and Erika's answer is also the truth she has to accept about herself. Episode 7 could be a fractionated story told from the perspective of these two different answers. The story would be told by two impartial observers instead of one splitting one story into two.
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2010-04-24, 14:43 | Link #8965 | |
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from Episode 3 At first we think this red only refers to episode 3 (From this point on, all the remaining red text in this game refer to this current scenario.) Battler is neither the culprit nor an accomplice. However in episode 5. Battler-kun is not the culprit. Battler-kun didn't kill anyone. This can be said of all games. So the Battler Kun they refer to could also be said not to be an accomplice in all games as well if the culprit part is true in all games. And I see no reason to say that this red only applies to episode 1- 5 when Kinzo is dead is true in all games. So Battler is not an accomplice is true in all games
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2010-04-24, 15:51 | Link #8966 | |
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I have a question why does Evatrice say Jessica did not commit murder. She was not involved with Nanjo's murder. Jessica was blinded it was impossible for her to commit murder. Nothing Jessica's body did influenced Nanjo's death. Why does she repeat herself, she already said Jessica didn't commit murder what was the reason for that statment saying it was impossible for her because she was blinded? And also why doesn't she just say, Jessica isn't an accomplice. Another question about Evatrice. If we look for a different killer than Eva for the 2nd-6th twlights, doesn't that kind of contradict what we were told. We know Eva must have left the room, even though she was sleeping... The thing I'm trying to get at is I want someone else to be the killer not Eva.. it seems to easy it was given to us. (Though ep3 was supposed to be easy because everyone was having so much trouble with ep2) I almost wish Beatrice in ep4 would have said that "Eva left the room for a drink." |
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2010-04-24, 15:55 | Link #8967 | |
Back off, I'm a scientist
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Which, mind you, raises a good question of whether personality switching and death tricks are actually allowed or not, because Evatrice tells Battler he's a moron when he proposes one. Though, not in red.
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2010-04-24, 16:02 | Link #8968 | |
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Yeah I noticed that, if Shakannon isn't true could this have been a hint from Ryu07 telling us to discard it? |
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2010-04-24, 16:11 | Link #8969 | |
Back off, I'm a scientist
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Theories proposed by other characters to Battler or in his presence are often more solid, but the conclusions they themselves make are one or two steps ahead of conclusions we are actually justified making (George and Jessica do that quite often). Battler often picks them up for a few paragraphs, plays with them and them promptly forgets them, very rarely returning to them. The stuff Battler keeps pulling out of his posterior up until Ep5 suggests this is a permanent feature, so any idea Battler himself actually proposes in the text should be scrutinised far, far more than any others regarding whether it's even formally correct reasoning.
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2010-04-24, 16:12 | Link #8970 | ||
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Besides he was with his parents and Erika most of the time I don't think he had a chance to get in on a fake death plot. He could of proposed that Rudolf was the caller and it would have gotten the same result. He's actually a potential caller anyway. Quote:
George, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie are potential rekillers in that episode
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2010-04-24, 16:13 | Link #8971 | |
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There is Jessica and Jessi. They're seperate personalities, so Jessi =/= Jessica. That means even if Jessica isn't an accomplice, Jessi might be one therefore Evatrice went all the way to deny that Jessica or whatever split personalities she might have wasn't involded int the murder.
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2010-04-24, 16:16 | Link #8972 | |
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Besides, that argument isn't even valid because Evatrice even says her body wasn't involved in any way. |
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2010-04-24, 16:27 | Link #8974 | |
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So in EP3, the fakers are already dead when they were discovered. But the plan to fake had occurred, owing to people choosing rooms to fake in. |
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2010-04-24, 16:27 | Link #8975 | |
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2010-04-24, 16:28 | Link #8976 | ||
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EDIT: I also don't see why Battler can't lie to Erika and not be involved. Or be lied to himself. Quote:
The same thing works with Rosa in episode 2. If she murdered everyone after unlocking the chapel she can't be the person to discover them. Meaning she can be in the room and kill the siblings and they can be dead when the rest of the people discover them later.
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2010-04-24, 16:36 | Link #8977 |
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Oh actually there is something I need to ask of you guys in the fake killing camp. How were the people in the shed rekilled if they were all fake deaths? The shed had two locks on it right? We've never actually figured out the trick for them to be killed while they're inside the shed or whatever. This might help with episode 4 too.
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2010-04-24, 16:40 | Link #8978 | |
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2010-04-24, 16:44 | Link #8979 | |
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2010-04-24, 16:57 | Link #8980 | |
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So like in EP5, it seems that the bodies moved. But it seems that body moving may not occur in all episodes. So the theory goes that in some episodes, all we're shown at 6am in the morning is the end result of all the events. For episode 1, they might have faked their deaths somewhere, then killed, then moved. Or moved, then killed and then locked into the shed? What was the idea about the two locks? I thought there was just one padlock... Whereas in EP3 they were just killed and no moving event occured. |
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