2008-09-29, 16:01 | Link #1225 | |
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of course,the witches would never have to destroy the warlock if it hadn't gone berserk. fifty/fifty IMHO. |
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2008-09-29, 17:16 | Link #1226 | |
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And there's no reason to suspect the military knows why the Neuroi are attacking. |
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2008-09-29, 18:41 | Link #1227 | |
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Although I would rather want a F-14D Super Tomcat, but with a SLEP upgrade. AESA radar (hey, it got one of the most powerful radars even installed in a fighter, so it makes sense to go the next step!), wider mission payload (Mavericks, Harpoons, HARMs (the reason why LANTIRN integration seems too easy), SDBs), and just about anything that would sort out the bugs associated with maintenance (the reason why they got out sooner than the rest of its generation). Also, updated engines. 131kNs sounds like something closer to the others. |
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“You can run, but you’ll only die tired, blind, and on FIRE." Technology rules.
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2008-09-30, 03:17 | Link #1231 | |
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Question: In episode 6 Sanya notes a Neuroi approaching from 'Sirius' geographically speaking its likely this means the Neuroi is approaching from Netherlands, considering all other surrounding countries have been named, though Belgium is also possible. Does anyone have confirmation on this?
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Edit: In fact, I think I may have found them. That's a Dutch flag on those wings. Upside down due to the position, but a Dutch flag nonetheless. Maybe the text has some additional info... could someone translate? Huh, I was using Wiki which said the P-51D's top speed was 703 KM/H, and with Shirley stating she'd need to go 1200 KM/H to reach Mach 1, I figured she was. Though I do disagree with it being dangerous to go beyond Mach 2. After all, if a girl with only a swimsuit can reach that speed and suffer no ill effects, I'm sure they can figure out something to make even higher speeds viable. Work in my case, which is even worse. >_< Last edited by Keroko; 2008-09-30 at 04:28. |
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2008-09-30, 06:27 | Link #1233 | ||
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Never noticed the flag, but considering it's Wilma Bishop, based on Billy Bishop (Canadian), I'd always assumed Farawayland or whatever was Canada, especially since it's a Commonwealth state. Well, now that I've translated it, I guess I should clean this... though I'm almost done with Kuroe's <_<.
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Anyway, if a bit of tinkering can drastically increase the speed of a Striker above the plane its based on, then I'd still have a Striker F-22 any day. But then, even if you couldn't I'd still take the Striker. Quote:
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2008-09-30, 08:25 | Link #1236 |
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And we hardly see anyone going consistently more than Mach 2 (other than the research planes like the XB-70, the SR-71 back on their heydays, and the MiG-25/31, in which they fried their engines in the process).
Not to mention that everyone moved to ensure that all corners are covered in the current generation (that was the reason the JSF sounded like an attractive proposition, with multirole, possibly the most powerful single jet engine (at 180kN) ever installed in a production military jet fighter, and low RCS). |
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“This airframe is actually at its best at supersonic speeds, with the best time to climb right off the deck. Conventional fighters have their best time to climb using a Rutowski climb profile. That is, they start with a subsonic climb to the tropopause (about 36,000 feet) and then perform a pushover to supersonic speed and climb supersonically from there. The Raptor can dispense with this complex profile and blast off supersonic from the deck. This machine just likes to go fast.” “Although the F-22 uses a fixed inlet design, the overall engine and airframe are optimized for the high supersonic speeds. Acceleration and Ps are phenomenal at the right hand side of the flight envelope. The Raptor can easily exceed its design speed limits, particularly at low altitude. We have incorporated max speed cues and alerts to remind pilots when approaching the limits.” How can you not love an airplane that goes too fast. Quote:
The Superbug wishes with all it's bloated overgrown heart it could go that fast, the sad fact is that it can't even go supersonic with a normal external weapons load below around 15,000 feet, and it's quoted "top speed" figures are taken on aircraft without pylons nevermind weapons and probably lightly loaded with fuel to boot. The F-18E is a nice light bomber, but it's a fucking awful fighter. The Navy wants the JSF bad for a reason: It can hardly be worse then the peice of shit they have now. Or it could be the gaint glowing ball of plasma in the sky that has that name in real life... Quote:
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-That the magical power of the witches which is unlikely to drastically change is the main limiting factor. -That the physical forces involved which I've already discussed at length and you totally ignored can't be overcome. -That Strikers can just keep scaling up in output drastically even when as noted the power of the pilots is unlikely to change significantly. Sure your average witch can run the WWII strikers with her powers, but that hardly automatically means she could run a jet unit with ten times the output. -It assumes that the entire concept can be maintained in its current form (witches as air superiority units). That last one is a doozy IMO while the setting of the current battle is basically engineered to make them the most viable weapon in a more normal human on human battle the viability of witches could be questioned. Let’s use those supposed F-22 Striker as an example case first off you’re going to have way fewer of them you’d have of even normal F-22s, second the pilots of them will be aging out constantly and in an era of dispersed wars they’d never last enough to be around to help the next generation in the next war. Fighter pilots though with careers that can span 30+ years have the endurance to remain around and pass on there experience to several generations. Another issue is that the required constant supply of recruits could quite possibly require forced conscription to maintain in peace time and lastly individual fighting prowess means little in the age of electronics. Thus it becomes a cost benefit question I can have thousands of tactical fighters with pilots that will serve for 30 years or I can have probably a few hundred (in a big country) less capable witches that are constantly being turned over and demand a large outlay of resources that are useless on anything else. Which comes to the second point now I’m sure you’ll go “They wouldn’t be less effective!” but then I ask. “How is a witch going to fly 10,000 miles like a B-52?” “How will she survey and control hundreds of miles of airspace like an AWCAS crew?” “How is she going to carry a dozen 300+ pound Air to Air missiles?” Going back to the F-22 a single AMRAAM is around three times (maybe more) heavier then the heaviest of weapons we’ve every seen a witch carry. (This is before we get into the fact it’s twelve feet long.) An F-22 could possibly carry up to 14 of these, plus two ten foot 200 pound sidewinders, oh and its 200 pound 20mm vulcan and about the same weight in shells… Oh and you’re going to need the 300 pound radar to aim all those! But that radar won’t do much good without the hundreds of pounds of computers to go with it better take those too! The sight of a witch toppled over on the runway, buried in a pile of crap, and moaning “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!” comes to mind. It really is a growth issue sure being able to fly pretty fast and shot a fairly large caliber gun is good enough in World War II, but it’s not good enough in the 21st century. So basically I see two options you bulk up the Strikers to the point they’re basically fighter jets anyway which calls the entire point into question or you shift them to where they’d still work well in the vein of helicopters and Spec Ops. I can think of all sorts of fun things to do with an infantry force that’s air mobile without helicopters… fighting jets isn’t one of them though. So yeah I can imagine an F-22 striker, but I’m imagining it would be REALLY shitty compared to a plain old F-22… Does any of this sound familiar?
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Ah well, they're my current favorites anyway. I like Canada, and nothing screams 'awesome' more then a squadron of cute girls in leather jackets blasting the crap out of an enemy. I also like the pre-novel Striker design (with bendable knee joints) better then the current heavy-lump ones. Quote:
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The magical power of witches is not likely to change drastically, but how about the technology to concentrate and enhance that power? As technology progresses, its highly likely that Striker units will be able to go faster, be more maneuverable and yet have the same energy expenditure, perhaps slightly more, perhaps slightly less, because of the advances in technology. Likewise, the physics can be overcome by increasing the effect of the magical protection of the witches, again through technology. I don't understand what you are trying to prove with showing that on the long term, normal fighters are superior. I never even argued that (well, against Neuroi I might, but we aren't talking about Neuroi here), and with the whole 'magic deteriorates below combat level when witches reach their 20s' I don't see how this can be argued. It also has nothing to do with whether an F-22 Striker will be able to reach Mach-2. Really, how you turned my claim that an F-22 Striker could be faster then an F-22 Fighter into which of the two is overall superior is beyond me. Pretty much. It's the Nanoha tech thread all over again. You're of the opinion that magic can never equal technology, while I'm of the opinion that magic can take over and enhance elements of the technology and vice versa, thus strengthening the whole. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-09-30 at 14:40. |
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