2013-01-23, 06:37 | Link #2721 | ||
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Also, those countries do fine inbetweening work and what not, but none of them have produced anything of any real quality themselves. I don't see many good shows in Korean, Hindi, Chinese or Tagalog. At least not yet. Maybe in the future, but so much the better. Quote:
Low wages is an issue for Japanese animators though, but I don't think the cost difference is purely down to wages, but then I'm no expert on the nitty-gritty of animation. |
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2013-01-23, 06:58 | Link #2722 | ||
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And you know Japan animation originally copied American animation too, right? Then they built off that to make something uniquely Japanese. Copying can bring about new ideas and styles. Quote:
Nowadays, since most Japanese and American animation studios export the vast majority of their work to other Asian countries, the only major differences in the costs of the two is basically domestic wages and to a lesser extent animation techniques (American TV cartoons still tend to lean toward techniques that cost more, like recording voices before final animation. I think every Japanese studio today do the voice recording after the rough or final animation is done, which saves money). Though American animators get paid way less than they did in PPG's time. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-01-23 at 07:25. |
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They get everything done in a fast time schedule, with very little "spare time", a western episode might be finished a week or two before airing, a Japanese episode is often finished mere hours before it's aired (though this means you sometimes get unfinished episodes). That so little time is left before airing might seem a bit absurd, but it's really quite efficient, because time spent between being finished and being aired is wasted time, and sounds a lot like the "lean" philosophy seen in Japanese Manufacturing (as a comparison, Japanese manufacturing only keeps hours worth of inventory, compared to days worth in an old western plant). |
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2013-01-23, 10:54 | Link #2724 | |
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At 63, I don't consider myself "outdated" at all. I'm more technologically savvy than 90%+ of Americans, and I pay close attention to political and social trends on a daily basis. I even watch anime, for goodness sake. I suppose when I was in my twenties I might have had thoughts similar to yours, though at the time I had academic colleagues in their fifties and sixties who were still sharp-minded and intriguing. I do have some negative opinions about modern culture, particularly its emphasis on greed and violence, but those opinions are not a result of my age so much as my experience. The world of contemporary popular culture, particularly the culture that is expressed in mainstream Hollywood movies, is a narrow and impoverished one indeed.
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2013-01-23, 13:54 | Link #2725 | ||
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Ok, I think we were on diff pages at first... I gave your stuff some serious thought and on topic, yes, just efficiency wise, Japanese animation is very efficient and cheap(er) (by outsourcing and certain animation shortcuts, which are done for tradition and how they were taught, not just being cheap). Dont bother reading the rest if thats all you wanted, unless you want to have a legitimate animation discussion.
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I don't know if every single Asian country with animators will become legends, but I'll bet South Korea will. They've already got stuff like "Aachi & Ssipak" and "Pororo" (which is 3d but still a nice movie). Once the won gets too strong and Americans (and Japanese if the yen decides to descend) stop exporting so much animation to there, I think their domestic animation industry will boom. They've already got a huge entertainment industry, so I'd predict that the industries would end up close together in a similar manner to how Japanese music and animation industries are so close. |
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2013-01-23, 15:54 | Link #2726 | ||
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That said, what has probably kept Japanese anime going strong is really the Manga industry. No country has a comics industry of comparable size, and Anime can piggy back a lot of content off of that. Quote:
The other weakness Korea has is that it doesn't have the robust "Otaku" market that Japan does. Their nerds are all playing Starcraft. And Korean fare mightn't go over well with Otaku, who often tend to towards being quite "nationalistic". So they're stuck trying to either sell to children, or the arthouse crowd, the former allows little creativity, the latter little money. As for the rest they have a long way to go. China's the only one really, but their problem is the CCP. The only animation that would get approved is probably a retelling of the life of Mao (or wuxia of some kind). One weakness that Korean and Chinese Manhwa/Animation have is that they're still a bit beholden to Japanese styles, and haven't done much that's very different. But who knows, maybe in the future... |
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2013-01-23, 17:38 | Link #2727 | |
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And yeah maybe in the future their styles will evolve more into something more "Korean" off of the Japanese and American styles (since that's what most of their animators are working on now, stuff for Americans and Japanese). South Korea is definitely climbing up in the world, and unlike China doesn't have a billion people to worry about (or all that censorship ). |
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2013-01-23, 20:35 | Link #2728 | |
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I'm just saying that going at such extreme of the spectrum is not very helpful for Japan. As long as no one stands up to say F.U. to the old farts who are taking down any country with them instead of accepting more forms of change, I can only see a not-so-good prospect about a future for this country. In any discipline, the only way to move forward is to cut short anyone or anything living on borrowed time. It might not apply to you specifically, but this applies to a number of other people who are taking away the spotlight from the ones who'd come up with new ideas adapted to the current reality. |
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2013-01-23, 22:27 | Link #2730 | ||
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2013-01-24, 21:59 | Link #2731 | |
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Kobu tori from 1929: and a nice little propaganda piece from WWII, Momotaro's Warriors of the Sea, coming equipped with persuasive (to children) woodland creatures espousing the advantages of the suicide pilots : |
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2013-01-25, 02:48 | Link #2733 |
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She is using her elbows and shoulders too much. Swinging that too hard and you will start enjoying muscle tear - she should start by training her wrist, then if she wants to increase the rhythm, then put in the elbows to subdivide it, then if there is more increment, use the shoulders. It should be an entirely fluid motion that results in a consistent rhythm. And she is holding the mallets too inward that results in her needing to exert more strength.
NSFW Sankaku : Emiri Kato “So Cute She Was Mistaken for a JS (joshi shougakusei, or elementary schoolgirl)” Are Japanese, or rather Asian girls, naturally lolicious like that? P.S Before anyone makes a connection about a certain character she voiced, no, I am not talking about traps. Neither am I into them. Aohige and Sume-nee are though.
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2013-01-25, 02:56 | Link #2734 |
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Good lord, man, she's what .. four or five? I was just watching the little drummer's face and the intensity - the spirit and rawr. The proper skills will develop if they give her access to training.
And you gotta wonder about that 50-something shop keeper's clue-meter. Even I can tell Kato is older than an elementary schooler though she'll probably be carded for the next 30 years. And wait, aren't you in Singapore? Aren't Singapore women young looking? Maybe you just catch the clues better
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<_< Wherever did you get that idea from....
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