2010-12-11, 19:00 | Link #3245 |
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Cont'd from: Fate/stay night Q&A
No. What she saw "that" day is told. You learn in HF how it is related to Sakura.
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2010-12-11, 19:04 | Link #3246 | |
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Also, whilst I believe UBW does hint at the reason she originally liked Shirou, I'm not sure that it goes into the full detail of it. |
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2010-12-12, 13:31 | Link #3250 | |
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Then you have the fact that Rin has made far more illogical decisions regarding Shirou than Sakura. I mean becoming his ally is all well and good in order to make sure he doesn't die for Sakura's sake, but moving into his house and teaching him magic personally goes far beyond protecting his life especially since he was pretty much holding her back. Not to mention she basicaly told Sakura to up an leave in a very harsh manner. Sure it was the logical choice in order to protect her life but seemed more like something she would do to anyone else rather than specifically protecting Sakura. Then you have her going right into the heart of the enemy base, risking her life and sacrificing her servant all to try and save Shirou and this was all in Fate route when they didn't even have a relationship. When it comes to Shirou Rin tends to go above and beyond the call of duty of simply saving Shirou because of Sakura and a small crush. Rin for the most part is very self serving she tries to follow the logical and magus path but she generally just does wants especially with Shirou and especially not with Sakura although she probably cares for both equally. Either way their was a good chance that she would of saved Shirou anyway although she probably convinced herself with the fact that it was worth it because of Sakura. |
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Look at HF, for instance. At the first sign of an excuse to do so, Rin breaks into the Matou house and checks it out. Similarly, Rin spends most of the route saying that she's going to kill Sakura and then finding excuses not to. The point is that she can only do that if there exists some excuse for ignoring her father's rules, and the situation in HF provides that in the way that the situations in Fate and UBW do not. Quote:
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Once she gets to know Shirou as a person, you are entirely right. She isn't protecting him because he's close to Sakura any more, she's protecting him because she cares for him and she knows damn well that, if the situation was reversed, he'd help her without a second thought (as UBW proves). However, at the point where she saved him in the school, she did not know him, and the only reasons for saving him were Sakura and her crush. Of those, I'm pretty sure Sakura was the bigger factor. Quote:
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2010-12-13, 05:16 | Link #3253 | |
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They like circles, and running is good for them. I think it's rather obvious Rin has been using excuses in order to fuel her own objectives, using her role as a magus as well as the convenience of friendship is pretty a means to an end.... more or less. |
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2010-12-13, 06:02 | Link #3254 |
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Well, yes, although she actually seems to believe her excuses to some extent (although it's probably self-delusion...), and when she can't think of one (which is generally the case with Sakura outside of HF, and also when she first decides to kill her in HF), she ends up forcing herself to do things that she really doesn't want to do.
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2010-12-13, 14:03 | Link #3255 |
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Question: what does Shirou project when he fights Gil after his date with Saber?
In all fairness, we have gone to other topics while you were gone... ones we've covered already... but still other topics!
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2010-12-13, 14:16 | Link #3258 |
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I have to play Fate again. I started watching the anime again (skipped the Caster arc to same me aggravation) and was wondering what they changed and such. They did mess up with Excalibur not being hidden with the wind when Saber fought Gil.
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This isn't really gonna get anywhere. It seems we have completely different perspectives on the same thing here. And can accept that Shirou is repressing feelings of love for Sakura in HF but since I believe Shirou likes Sakura more at the start anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference to my original point. Quote:
And even so that doesn't change my point. We only get a choice when Shirou isn't clear on the issue. That's the whole point. Shirou isn't clear on the issue so why should we? Hence the choice. I believe Shirou can genuinly act that way in the bad endings. Quote:
And I never said that he makes an actual decision along the lines of "I like Sakura more, so I'll spend time with her". He just likes her more without realising it.
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Changing his personality is changing his backstory, in some manner. Either you change the events that result in him becoming who he is (or his reactions to them), or else you change his very conception to make him genetically different.
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In HF, Shirou spends enough time with Sakura for Zouken to activate her, resulting in Zouken setting the situation up such that she'll move in with him and they'll become closer. In the other routes, he does not, and thus she is never activated, Zouken doesn't start his Xanatos Gambit, Shirou doesn't know that Shinji has a servant until later and Shinji doesn't abuse her as much (thus making Shirou think she's safer at home, rather than being around him and in danger) and, in the end, Shirou pushes Sakura away in order to prevent her from getting dragged into the war, so no relationship develops. |
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