2009-02-16, 13:28 | Link #2061 | |
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At any rate, people should just look the simple thing, when it comes to the poem-explore: Shirley says, that Lelouch always slipped away somehow and realized his Geass was gentle when it came to his important people. C.C well, don't really care much to write it, but none-romance at all. Kallen, is the only one totally exploring the possibility of Lelouch loving her back and that is NOT open to any interpretation. Make your own conclusions again. |
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2009-02-16, 13:50 | Link #2062 | ||
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Especially when most the fandom is still questioning whether or not he did have this kind of feelings for her and you need a complete essay to back up the logic behind this. |
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2009-02-16, 14:03 | Link #2063 | ||
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Anyway, like i have said repeatedly, the translators around these places, said that the word used for "kiss" goes for something more like this, and i am willing to trust them, till proven wrong. I have no other choice as well, i can't start looking at my agenda to call my Japanese friends that i do not have to convince me otherwise. 8DDD Quote:
I am just gonna say, in relevance to "shy", that someone sure can be shy, but at some point or another, that person lets it go. I am not sure that Kallen was SO shy when she tongue-kissed Lelouch. She just let out all her feelings. Threw the shy-ness out of the Guren-window. The 'shy' part, is more like, Kallen is not the type to go all "yokata, yokata, he luuuuved me". Not a chance, so there must have been a tiny reason that staff used certain words in the poem. Also, i never claimed that Lelouch {if, let us put this here for the sake of the debate} loved Kallen romantically in the same level she did. Not a chance x 2, Kallen loved him like 4343094093 x 4834930 mountains combined together for a lot of reasons, that make her love so deep for certain reasons. [look foundation of her new existence, believing in win blah blah] eta: and in general, being shy does not mean you are stupid and you can't comprehend certain things. Last edited by incorrupts; 2009-02-16 at 16:49. |
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2009-02-16, 18:30 | Link #2064 | |
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LOL, you guys have me loling on the morning of my second school day~
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Well, I am surprised and {overjoyed} that they dared to use Aishiteru at all after{you know what}. (And I don't even know where the "probably" comes from, it's not a story about a girl with zomg devotion trying to win over some emo guy's heart after all....) Not to mention it was Lelouch's behavior and attitude that triggered Kallen's "What am I to you?" question.
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2009-02-16, 18:35 | Link #2065 | |
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@Levy:: I kinda agree with what you said there. Oh, and do not try to search for a lot of politeness in this section, it is like CCxL in R2, you barely notice it. I do not actually agree with Narona's question, about asking for a certain "author", cause it is like extremely difficult to find a certain name, and in the end, does not matter much, since it comes from the staff, but saying something "right" with the wrong words { "ridiculous" for example} can lead to opposite results. :x At least we "entertain" people with our debates, we gotta give credit to ourselves for that one. Last edited by incorrupts; 2009-02-16 at 19:15. |
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2009-02-16, 19:28 | Link #2066 |
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Since someone brought up aishiteru again. I thought I try to find an article regarding the word. Even though an very good article was posted in the kalulu group, I wanted to find a different one to post here.
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The sentences I underlined really caught my attention. In relation to Kallen. Since Kallen was the other party involved during turn 22 with Lelouch and her poem gave some insight on to why Lelouch stayed silent(Did anything else come out offically regarding Lelouch's silence? Since Lelouch was pretty much OOC at that moment). I would think she understood Lelouch at that moment after realizing what he was planning on doing for ZR. I'll give Kallen the benefit of the doubt.
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2009-02-16, 19:34 | Link #2067 | |
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Not exactly, the ultimate-form-of-love-unique-moment material. Words can be exaggerated as in their context of meaning, if one is willing to do so. The important thing, is that it was mentioned in Kallen's poem. Everything else, is kind of more sauce to the pizza for me. 8DD |
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2009-02-16, 19:41 | Link #2068 | |
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I understand that and I agree.
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2009-02-16, 19:48 | Link #2069 | |
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Oh lol, is this reverse-situation from the afternoon? Just go to Gundam and you will see my thoughts there. |DD; But about 'aishiteru' i just meant, that this you provided, was more of a poetic-nice touch. The point is, that this word is being defined as the ultimate word for "love" whether that one is family or romantic one. And i think, it is great to see that word so few times in Geass world, and Kallen got a piece of that. |
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2009-02-16, 20:00 | Link #2070 | |
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Main reason I posted that bit from an article was because of what I underlined. Since it reminded me of Kallen's character post season on how Lelouch became so important to her. It was nice to see Kallen use the word in her poem too bad it wasn't in the show(Gum line I'm looking at you. Too bad we'll never know the exact reason why it was cut.).
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2009-02-16, 21:43 | Link #2071 | |
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2009-02-16, 23:29 | Link #2072 | |
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But you are right that Shirley contributed more to the relationship (that is what you meant, right?). Of course, it couldn't really be helped since Lelouch decided to distance himself from her in order to protect her (so much for that). And the same could be said about Kallen since he didn't want to get her involved in ZR. On a lighter note, I think Lelouch's love life could be summed up with this paraphrased quote: "There's someone out there for everyone. And sometimes there's two people for one person. I call that a jackpot." |
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2009-02-16, 23:44 | Link #2073 | |
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Hmm, Kallen's poem was sorta the first material concerning Lelouch about this "silence" matter. In general we have sth like "because you keep those who are truly precious to you away" in regard to Lelouch's attitude(or inaction) towards Rivalz and Kallen from the same source of the mutual chuu line. @sky Gomen, I didn't mean that. I am just surprised (and happy) to see the romance thread revived~
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2009-02-17, 00:20 | Link #2074 | |
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This is off topic but I will never read a GxK fanfic ever again(My friend sent me an link to the fanfic, to get my reaction). Kallen's is just too OOC(author believes GxK is canon due to the wedding pic). In two days in the fanfic, Kallen had fallen for Gino and Lelouch never made Kallen happy like Gino lol. /of my small rant.
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2009-02-17, 00:47 | Link #2075 |
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is this deja vu? lol I'm glad i wasn't here at the begining of this thread let alone the first 3 iterations of this thread, but yea go shirlulu/kalulu,/cluclu w/e floats your boat, see who really needed to get shipped is cecile, she really has that milf thing going
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2009-02-17, 01:17 | Link #2076 |
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Not every fan thinks this way. If that was the case, what would be the purpose of the scenes between them? Why would the staff bother to make kallen ask c.c in turn 24 if she loved lelouch? Just to say it's not like c.cxlelouch was almost invisible.
The problem with Kallen's poem is that it represents her thoughts and what she wanted to hear. "If you had said 'I love you'"; she yearned for lelouch to tell her that because she loved him deeply. I remember the phrase "even if it was a lie": the way the sentence was written, that part was supposedly given less importance. Ok. But still, was there even a reason to add this part then? My point is, Lelouch's feelings cannot be confirmed via this poem. What is the translation for the "understood his feelings" matter? Gino said the same thing to kallen in turn 24, so did lelouch to nina in the next turn... Yet, they were not talking about romance... Was it explicitly stated that she understood that lelouch loved her? She could well have understood his feelings towards zero requiem, or anything else. |
2009-02-17, 01:31 | Link #2077 | |
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The poem is written by the staff, which means that it's more than just longing. It's not something she would just assume unless she knew it were true.
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2009-02-17, 01:49 | Link #2079 |
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Not the point I was trying to make. In any side material, what the staff writes is to emphasize a certain point. With Kallen and Lelouch, it's always emphasizing what they feel for each other. His "little wish" for her, the poem assuming that very strong form of love, hiding his "true feelings" in Turn 22, etc, and Kallen likewise understanding him in the end.
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2009-02-17, 02:06 | Link #2080 | |
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And "Even if is a lie" doesn't connect with "Even if you had lied about loving me" which is the simpler case, it seems to connect with "I have no idea what you felt for me so I would have accepted a lie"
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