2008-09-16, 23:21 | Link #11221 |
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The thing is, the Suzaku who felt bad or wrong about that may not be the same Suzaku we have now, given his preference for "results" over "methods", which was what he apologized for, if you think about it, back then. It's a little open to debate.
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2008-09-16, 23:23 | Link #11222 |
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If he even knows about that. Unless he learns about it when they're talking, which I won't count out since he'll probably be close enough to listen, I doubt Lelouch would bring it up. As for the Refrain, he felt bad because he was acting like Zero. As his later conversation with Lelouch indicates, he considers himself on the moral high ground when it comes to Zero. He lied directly to Nunnally while Lelouch did no such thing, just threw a "just like you" line at Lelouch when they talked. It's the only reason he even stopped.
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2008-09-16, 23:29 | Link #11223 |
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Well she was willing to get refrained rather than give up Lelouch. I think it's pretty obvious to Suzaku she has feelings or at least enough history with Lelouch that can be used to turn her. But again it is Kallen's choice in the end. I just think that Kallen's Suzaku-hate if she does have any is one sided. And seeing as he tried to reason with her in the past only proves my point. He didn't try to convert her in season 2 because she was working for Lelouch at the moment which he hated at the time. Now, it's nothing personal, it's all business.
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2008-09-16, 23:37 | Link #11224 | |
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Per the events in the preview, Kallen's chat with Lelouch almost certainly has to happen first. It would be odd for them to fit their battle in the first half of the episode before Lelouch even takes off for Damocles. With that, whatever reason those two will fight will have motivation by both parties, not Kallen's hatred of Suzaku alone. He hated Lelouch at the end of season 1, too, but he still tried, albeit angrily, to get her to switch sides. Come season 2 he was willing to gun her down without a word.
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2008-09-17, 02:39 | Link #11226 | |
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i think what we have in the first half is a)lulu keeping the friya's at bay by sending his troops b)nina's device being mounted on the shinkiro c)lulu and C.C talking in the hanger d)kallen acting like suzaku (charging head first with no strategy and only tactics) and breaking past lulu's frontline defenses , and then crashing into the avalon (end of first half) second half a)lulu at claw point (talk with kallen) b)C.C stepping in to allow lulu to go on with the plan (possibly by using her mental powers on kallen) c)gino breaking into the avalon and fighting with the shinkiro d)lulu leaves the avalon with gino on his tale only for suzaku to step in and kill gino (showing he is willing to take out anyone who indangers the plan) e)C.C and kallen talk (possibly in her memory gallery) and they end up choosing to go after lelouch f)suzaku stands in the way so he and kallen fight (could end either way) g)lulu reaches the democles and faces shnizel as well as nunnaly
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2008-09-17, 02:43 | Link #11227 | |
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2008-09-17, 04:05 | Link #11230 | |
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Which reminds me I would've recognized Suzaku as Lancelot's pilot much earlier, since he pulls that awesome Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku of his off in it a few times.
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2008-09-17, 09:18 | Link #11231 |
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besides
since the lancelot is out in the battlefield powning everyone (toudo,gino,whoever) then kallen needs her own CMOA in the battle BEFORE they fight to balance it out and remind the viewers (as if we need it) that both machines are fuckin awesome ep 23 dont count since it doesnt come close to how awesome the SEITEN is
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2008-09-17, 09:40 | Link #11232 | |
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2008-09-17, 09:42 | Link #11233 | |
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2008-09-17, 09:57 | Link #11235 | |
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if suzaku gets his CMOA in ep 24 (before the fight) by owning some of the named players (like toudo or xing-ke, and i still think he would kill gino at some point) then kallen needs one too only in her case rather then a fight against a named pilot (since,jeremia aside, there arent any) its more likely it would come by breaking past lulu's defense line since the avalon is targeted by shnizel then lulu has the whole army in front to shield it from friya's so inorder to get to lulu kallen would have to get past all those troops in a stratigic war (with two armys) charging ahead is dumb since one soldier trapped behind enemy line wont make much of a difference but since the OOBK is in disarey then kallen could just charge right past the lines (since the guren is super fast) and instead of opening a way for the army she could just target the head herself queens checkmate she already wanted to do it before (xing-ke stopped her) and her VA said shed make her own decetions from now on
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2008-09-17, 10:03 | Link #11237 | |
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since she DOES have to get to the avalon (which is behind the front lines for fear of being freyia'd) trying it would either be suiceide or CMOA and we know she makes it to the avalon
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2008-09-17, 10:15 | Link #11238 | |
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