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View Poll Results: Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 2 | 11.76% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 6 | 35.29% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 35.29% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 17.65% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-09-08, 11:53 | Link #41 | ||
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Also, get over your obsession with calling her a Mary Sue. The series is making it quite clear that, despite all the things she's good at, she stil isn't winning. She lost this fight, and would have died without Illya's help. She fails at a number of things, and there are some things she just cannot do. Sometimes her idea of how to solve a problem is the wrong choice, and it would just make things worse. In short, she's just a girl. A person, imperfect like everyone else. Quote:
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2013-09-08, 12:06 | Link #42 | ||
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2013-09-08, 12:40 | Link #43 | |
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And there are hints for her, just not screaming them out as it's more of a 2wei plot point that just had some incredibly minor hints laid in this season. |
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2013-09-08, 12:48 | Link #44 | ||
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2013-09-08, 15:16 | Link #45 | |
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I'm sorry if my not liking this offends you, but I can't bring myself to like this development. I tried my best not to be bothered by her perfect-ness, but now she can Install on top of all that, I'm sorry but that was the last straw. As for the fight against Caster. So yeah, she got Catapulted by Illya to gain some extra speed. REAL big conribution there. What? So the game would've been lost without Illya? Well, an office building would be a complete mess without a janitor, but no one's paying him any extra credit. |
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2013-09-08, 15:51 | Link #46 | |
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That was undeniably a team effort.
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2013-09-08, 15:57 | Link #47 | ||
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2013-09-08, 16:46 | Link #48 |
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I don't get how you can think Miyu is a Mary Sue at this stage. She was introduced as one as a joke, her shortcomings were made clear soon after that. This very episode provided yet another proof she can't do everything on her own. The only time she hasn't needed Illya's help is against Rider.
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2013-09-08, 17:09 | Link #49 | |
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In any event, I certainly didn't get the impression that the presence of the card was coincidental. But I thank you for the info.
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2013-09-08, 22:31 | Link #50 |
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Irisviel, kudos to you for being a true mother to your child, and encouraging Illya to go and seek what's truly important to her.
But, I do understand Illya due to being just as impressionable as her, and it was rough for her learning those words from Miyu herself. Nonetheless, Miyu said them to protect Illya, because deeply she truly regards Illya as a friend as well; she, at last, openly said that she treasures Illya as her best friend and her first one. BTW, Saber Miyu rocked against Black Berseker, but the one truly crushing the Heaven's Feel was Archer Illya. |
2013-09-09, 01:49 | Link #53 | |
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2013-09-09, 02:36 | Link #55 | |
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Miyu is able to perform because it's all mathematical to her. She understands how magic works and how to fight. Why she understands these things, why she seems knowledgeable and experienced with things that aren't commonly known, that's the mystery to her. Illya has led a normal, happy life. The battles they've had have come as a shock to her as you might expect. Miyu isn't shocked though. Why is that? Might it be that her life hasn't been a happy one? Illya is her first friend for crying out loud. |
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2013-09-09, 02:56 | Link #57 |
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Do Rin and Lluvia have shortcomings? Are they Mary Sues because they know how magic works, are genius level mages that can fight even though they have limited battle experience? They showed that they're more capable than both Illya and Miyu when using Sapphire and Ruby and they only had them in their possession for a couple weeks at the most.
I don't think you quite understand what a Mary Sue is. Just being capable doesn't make you a Sue. Lots of characters in stories are capable. Being right all the time doesn't make a Sue either. What makes a Sue a Sue is that they 'break' the setting. Other characters, the plot, the whole world ends up revolving around them to the point where things that once were became completely different to serve the Sue. The Sue is also often able to ignore or completely avoid criticism and consequence. Not because something happens to safe guard them, but simply because criticism and consequence never come their way. They also gain disproportionate amount of importance in regards to what's going on in the story. Even if a Sue has rivals or allies that are as capable or more so than the Sue, they are trivialized or outright ignored because it's the Sue's story. So in what way is Miyu breaking the setting? |
2013-09-09, 10:10 | Link #58 |
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You raise a good point. I did make the common mistake of misinterpreting the definition of Sue. Doesn't really change the fact that her complete perfectness and inability to fail at anything are starting to really annoy me and breaking my immersion.
By the way, I never said anything about Luvia. She appears to be the same level as Rin. |
2013-09-09, 10:19 | Link #59 |
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Lack of social skills is a shortcoming whether you like it or not. As is lack of imagination. A truly perfect person wouldn't be like that. And you're still talking as if she has never lost a battle and has succeeded in everything she undertook, but we've already told you that's wrong. Illya had to save her plenty of times, either because she was outclassed (Saber), made a mistake in judgment (Caster), or tried to do everything on her own only to fail (Berserker). She would have been killed if not for Illya. How is she completely perfect and unable to fail?
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2013-09-09, 10:54 | Link #60 | |
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But yeah the fact that she kicks every type of ass in battle, school and life in general is okay, because she can't talk to people. Because that really is a skill that someone needs to live. I'm getting a little tired of having to repeat myself though. You apparently value these insignificant things a lot more, and I respect that. And I already retracted my "Mary Sue" bit, but I'm still not liking Little Miss Perfect for reasons I've already stated, and I think I should be allowed to think that way. It's not like I'm forcing anyone to join me in disliking her? Last edited by Dengar; 2013-09-09 at 11:08. |
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