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Edit: We know why Hisa couldn't make it to Kazekoshi but I wonder why Mihoko expected her to be there? I want more of this back story, darnit!
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2009-06-08, 10:33 | Link #1082 |
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Well, because they are TH3 Mahjong high school of the area? As in, up until a year ago for them the national preliminaries were just like some trifling paperwork they had to do.
In any case, have I remarked how cool the people at Tsuruga are? Because they are. Even if they are in 2nd place by pure and unadulterated newbie luck
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Prediction time: Hisa will wipe the floor with the other players with Hajime maybe being able to make a bit of a comeback. Then Nodoka will bring out her best game and beat up on Touka. When it finally gets to Koromo's turn, Ryuumonbuchi should be trailing the rest of the teams, so as to give more of a chance for her to show off her scary abilities. Saki should either start with a lead over everyone else or she will be somewhere in the middle of the pack. The dark horses in all of this will be Tsuruga since I'm not quite sure what's up with them. Quote:
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I'm all but immune to the moe-factor, but I still can't get over how much fun I'm having watching Saki - it comes second here to all of the shows I'm watching that started in April. I can't wait to see what Hisa's going to be up to: she should be up to some evil/cool play that should be a blast to watch.
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Edit: I realize that Hisa gave Mihoko tons of trouble... but that was three years ago. Were they that good in middle school? (Apparently so given how Nodoka seems to play so well in the transition between middle school to high school.) Did they not really improve in high school? I guess mahjong is a bit different from a physical sport. I mean if you don't play soccer for three years, it doesn't matter how good you used to be. It's going to take awhile to blow off that rust and play well. And there's something about the whole trope of the real competition is different from practice. Not that I don't expect Hisa to be ridiculously good in the match, but I just wonder about the assumptions made.
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2009-06-08, 15:53 | Link #1087 | |
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No other way I can think of it being remotely possible with out knowing everyones possibility after each and every round. If you know what the tiles can do, you the gain great independence of what the opponent's hand is and what they are thinking, since you can just influence the luck factor with a small domino effect; at least that is what she would appear to be doing in the club. The only way to beat this is for everyone to purposely loose each round, but then she'd still end up +/- 0 easily. ...I think, ok not sure right now, lol
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2009-06-08, 16:43 | Link #1089 | |
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You can say "I need a hand that is worth X" and know what is required to get that hand from your current hand. Getting there is the hard to impossible part. It really depends on what the field is like and what hand is needed. A slightly better than beginner player can get a decent read on what is out on the field and what is left by simple counting and logic. "Oh, that person hasn't been throwing out any circles, they must be going for mostly circles or all circles." But if you need circles, clearly it's going to be hard. Getting +/-0 every now and then isn't hard at all if you just aim for a 5200 point hand and play defensively otherwise (adjust your score with exhaustive draws and pray nobody gets a tsumo). Pretty much, Saki has the equivalent of a cheat level super power. (Surprisingly, there aren't that many cheat level powers in the series.) Last edited by bayoab; 2009-06-08 at 16:49. Reason: Less wall of text looking |
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2009-06-08, 17:15 | Link #1090 |
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Saki prevented tsumo hands? I though she just balanced it out, as in loose 1000 here gain 1000 there, stuff like that. I need to rewatch the club ones (didn't really understand them back then).
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Saki would even lose hands now and again. That's why only Hisa was able to spot her true skill.
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2009-06-08, 18:56 | Link #1093 |
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there is another explanation for saki's "powers"
if you assume she is able to read people, and have a very good grasp of the tiles in the game what she does is possible. basically we have been shown that most of saki's power come into play when she is playing face-to-face, thus basically saying that she relies allot more on how people act then on "reading the tiles" by itself. if you assume her ability of reading people is extremely good(which is still in the realms of reality) and her understanding of the tiles is just as good. and you add to that some luck you get what she does. she may not be able to see her opponents hand but she can judge what they are by reading for example their reaction to a certain tile being thrown. this is actually possible on the theoretical level, it would just require huge amounts of processing and we do it every second of our awakeness, then again so does recognizing a shape from an image, so it's not completely impossible. if you assume that then even her special move is made possible because if she can pretty much "sense" what the tiles -in- the game are and the wall is near its end then she can, with a pretty good probability, know what she's gonna get from there. that would also explain why saki lost to someone like fujita pro who is able to hide her reactions better then the rest. |
2009-06-08, 20:07 | Link #1095 | |
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I think Mihoko is also concerned because Bundou-san doesn't seem great. She's not on the level of Mihoko - that's for sure. Kiyosumi's lineup tends to get stronger whereas it seems both Ryuumonbuchi and Kazekoshi sent out relatively strong first round players to get a good lead off with a middle sag and finish out strong. Oh. This reminds me. There was a very intriguing line from Bundou on how both the chuuken and taisho (i.e. Hisa and Saki) had very strange hands and that she hoped the coincidence didn't come up when she played Hisa. I want to know what that means. Why does she think it's weird? I think / hope we'll get some sort of flashback from Bundou on this -- actually, given that she copied it out and already noted the strangeness of Hisa's style, she might be more wary than usual of her.
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2009-06-08, 20:12 | Link #1097 |
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Hisa's "special power" has been foreshadowed multiple times in the show, including the preview for the next episose... Mako complained about how Hisa always "Chooses the waits with the worst odds". Not sure how that is a special power instead of just an unconventional playing style, but maybe it's exactly that unconventional playing style that is what throws off her opponents.
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2009-06-08, 20:43 | Link #1100 |
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Saki is really strong when she can face to face with another player. But since she was doing +- 0 to avoid conflict in her family in the first place, that's probably her weakness, she can't play againts players that terrorize or preasure other players like her sister, that's why she lost in the cafe. It's almost like she was being dead stared by a snake.
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