Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu (月が導く異世界道中) [WN]

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by evilgenius

the parents are shitty. i dont even care about the NTR stuff, all the people lose their minds when their perceive ''oh its NTR'' but thats not the important. First, really they cannot go to another place in the entire world? really? to tsige or someplace?

By all accounts, his parents were sick of the Goddesses' world. Second, what does that have to do with their being his parents? He wasn't even conceived yet.

secondo, they draw makoto a horrible hand, instead of explaining things as a child they trained him in some stuff, but the thing that saved makoto was the brogod blessings,

First, they didn't think the Goddess would actually do it. Second, imagine that explanation: "Hey son, we're actually from a whole other world where there is magic, and the Goddess there sent us over. And she may or may not decide to take 'something precious' of ours. Maybe our pet cat, but also possibly one of you kids. Oh, and we can't prove it because there is no magic in this world and we've been changed to look like regular humans."

Hellloooo insane asylum.

and for the things they are talking between them they KNOW that the goddes isnt normal and also know that makoto is not handsome as the rest of the family, i dont remember what chapter but makoto or someone remarks this clearly. And if they prepared her children for this they at least suspect that the goddes will take one of them, but the levity of their reaction is off the charts, '' oh our kid is indeed something important, well hope for the best'' hahaha shitty parents at their best.

And this is what I mean. His parents had a GOOD relationship with the Goddess. They've never had to face how the Goddess feels about unattractive people. From his parent's perspective, the Goddess is practically a friend or mother. On top of which, the war with the Demons wasn't really serious at the time they left.

So from his parent's point of view, a friend of theirs took their son, for no big reason. And as their friend, she would probably take care of him (even if she's all Tsun-tsun-tsun about it.) even if he's not especially handsome.

His parents were HORRIBLY WRONG, but that just means they were foolish/naive, not bad parents.

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by evilgenius

the parents are shitty. i dont even care about the NTR stuff, all the people lose their minds when their perceive ''oh its NTR'' but thats not the important. First, really they cannot go to another place in the entire world? really? to tsige or someplace? secondo, they draw makoto a horrible hand, instead of explaining things as a child they trained him in some stuff, but the thing that saved makoto was the brogod blessings, and for the things they are talking between them they KNOW that the goddes isnt normal and also know that makoto is not handsome as the rest of the family, i dont remember what chapter but makoto or someone remarks this clearly. And if they prepared her children for this they at least suspect that the goddes will take one of them, but the levity of their reaction is off the charts, '' oh our kid is indeed something important, well hope for the best'' hahaha shitty parents at their best.

i would still not call they shit parents by what you have wrote about them, they did all they could and if you really read the story. they could not know WHEN she would ask, and because of that they had the same surprise as well as him.and about they going away to another place, why? the god have given them the chance to wipe the memory of the entire world so they could be together and they choice no, because they would still "KNOW" that the world they are living is a real "SHIT" so they could only be happy and build their future in another world , they did not want their future and the future of their children to be in that shit world and thus they have made the request.
we do not really have a in-deep answer about their feelings at that time since it was that tsukoyomi had come and told him the news himself, but is pretty clear their intentions , at least i can see it myself :
[B]they choice to let their son Go without a farewell/sobbing departure because this could really affect his development in that world, something that is pretty normal in some places of the world , when someone is going away. or what you wanted? that they started crying to their son in their goodbyes? to make his son be emotional linked to their family in way that would make a new and stronger barrier to his new life in that world?
They choice to be cold with the reaction and use everything as joke to make him feel at ease, because they did not want their son to be "sad" with his departure from their family, something that could really affect his way in that new world, this is pretty clear by makoto's monologues about his family and the sidestories about his life in our world as well.
So let's look at this in a objective way:
1:they have make sure that all of them are OK and able to defend them self
2: avoided a sad departure and sobbing departure of something like already have been decided by "gods", that if it had gone in the wrong way could deep affect his way in that new world.

Now about the blessing: the blessing is a cheat but is something that would have fair little impact in makoto's life so far in the novel, let's look important parts of the history and his earlier development how it would be without the blessing:
Shen:
even without the blessing, something that he have not "Know" how to use at that time, he would still fight shen (tomoe) and she would still imprison him and read his memories and thus accept the contract with him: SO tomoe: would be the same.
Mio:
Without the blessing he would have a far harder time wounding her, allowing her to "drink " his blood fair easily and thus allow her to regain her sanity and allow tomoe to make the pact as well: So Mio: would be the same.

Shiki: he would still be able to use his spell to "eat" shiki's mana, allowing him to be weaker enough for them to talk, or simple wound him: would still be the same as well.

I could go on and on, and explain many other points of why the blessing would not make really any difference for him in the long RUN because now that he had tomoe mio and shiki, any of them can do what the blessing can do for him, without more or less work but the result would be the same so the blessing is a fucking cheat ability but he have the tools himself to work without it and 99,99% of the entire novel he only uses the blessing for 3 things:
1 hear/feel what everyone have being doing around him.
2 Hidden his armor, so he can keep it active 100% of the time, something that even without the armor would be fair impossible for 99,9999999% players on that world to wound him.
3 strength the armor even further so he does not need to remake her every time, something that already have being proven that he can do without delay.

So the blessing is a cheat, but is not something that makes makoto what he is, nor determines any of his achievements or power levels so far in the novel, his life would be just a little more troublesome, and he would need to work a little harder in some secrets events, like the one with rinon but the end result would still be the same.

[coded321]

Originally Posted by Corvo269

What I wanna know is why people were crying NTR while the demon thing happened when
1. They were engaged without properly knowing each other
2. Rather than a case of couples being torn apart, Makoto's mom was a naive little dumbass

People are crying NTR because the parent's story follows the most typical NTR plot. I'm sure you can find hundreds of NTR doujins that have the exact same plot as the parent's story. It doesn't help the author was also somewhat vague regarding what specially happened.

Besides that, i am again finding myself confused. the goddess did create the demons? i thought it was only the hyumans she created.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by coded321

People are crying NTR because the parent's story is the follows the most typical NTR plot. I'm sure you can find hundred of NTR doujins that have the exact same plot as the parent's story. It doesn't help the author was also somewhat vague regarding what specially happened.

Besides that, i am again finding myself confused. the goddess did create the demons? i thought it was only the hyumans she created.

The following is pure guessing on my part:

It's possible she created the demons, and that's why some demons still worship her.

Ever read Assassination Classroom? Sometimes, what people need is someone to look down on.

In this case, the Demons serve as a lesson to the hyumans of why they must be pretty. And also serve as a common enemy for all of hyumans to hate.

[J4n1]

I really have no idea why people are so upset with Makoto's parents.
Sure, agreeing to give the goddess your kid was kinda shifty, but not like they had lot of choices (except staying in bugs world, and we get no story), and we knew about that from chapter 1, why rage about it now?

As for NTR, there was no NTR.
Young girl was seduced by a scumbag, she learned her lesson, got together with a dude she had been betrothed (without being asked, shitty practice that imo), went of to have adventures and settled down to have a family (there's a novel series right there if author even wants to do a prequel).

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by J4n1

I really have no idea why people are so upset with Makoto's parents.
Sure, agreeing to give the goddess your kid was kinda shifty, but not like they had lot of choices (except staying in bugs world, and we get no story), and we knew about that from chapter 1, why rage about it now?

And if the translation from LNbastion is accurate, the Goddess didn't even specify their child. Just "something precious."

As for NTR, there was no NTR.
Young girl was seduced by a scumbag, she learned her lesson, got together with a dude she had been betrothed (without being asked, shitty practice that imo), went of to have adventures and settled down to have a family (there's a novel series right there if author even wants to do a prequel).

Actually, I think by the strict definition of NTR, it did occur. The girl was seduced away. Even if she comes back later, NTR did occur.

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by Rasen

Actually, I think by the strict definition of NTR, it did occur. The girl was seduced away. Even if she comes back later, NTR did occur.

Except the girl was never the guys in the first place.
It's basicly some dude calling dibs on a girl, and the girl refusing to play along.

Sure, i can see people stretching the definition to include this, but at that point the term has become useless due to being overly broad.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by J4n1

Except the girl was never the guys in the first place.
It's basicly some dude calling dibs on a girl, and the girl refusing to play along.

They met during some religious ceremony and fell in love, and were engaged to be married.

Then the demon showed up and seduced her.

I think that fits right in the NTR definition. Netorare - "taking away by sleeping with"

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by Rasen

They met during some religious ceremony and fell in love, and were engaged to be married.

Then the demon showed up and seduced her.

I think that fits right in the NTR definition. Netorare - "taking away by sleeping with"

And she then came back.
So we might as well call everytime a woman (or a man) has an affair a case of NTR.
At which point we can just drop the word and just call it having an affair.

Though i did miss the marriage part when reading the extra chapter (did notice it while rereading), so thanks for pointing that out.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by J4n1

And she then came back.
So we might as well call everytime a woman (or a man) has an affair a case of NTR.
At which point we can just drop the word and just call it having an affair.

Um....yeah. That's pretty much what NTR means. There's no condition about what happens AFTER the affair, just that the affair happens.

I think most porn ends on that note of the girl leaving because viewers are supposed to be in the role of the guy doing the stealing, not the guy being taken from.

[coded321]

Originally Posted by Rasen

I think most porn ends on that note of the girl leaving because viewers are supposed to be in the role of the guy doing the stealing, not the guy being taken from.

Technically that's netori, not netorare e.g you stealing the girl vs the girl being stolen from you

[Hiro Hayase]

Originally Posted by m4rc0s

Spoiler for Quote:

}I can say without doubt, that after everything i have ready so far; if HIbiki had become the queen of the hyumans, the devils would accept her plan without question even without losing the war , this is just how severe their situation is; and with someone strong enough to uphold the laws with the slavery, like no mistreatment, only using for work and have "their right" as well, without doubt they would go with it; since in hibiki owns plan there is a place for them to upgrade from the slavery status as well. , they would not become slave forever, they will receive miss deeds in the outer region of the world, and could have one or two victimize as well, but her slavery plan comes from the principle of allowing the hyumans to interact with the devils and suppress the bug religion, something that is already in progress with the future rulers of the kingdom , not only that; as she is molding the future rulers of limia, she would without doubt plan her way as well to free the slaves with them with the future; it could take one generation or two, for the core that is rot from limia to go, but it would be, and the devils would have fair "better" live in a sense than they have right now, because i bet that no one of them want to keep killing the children-weaklings, adults and so on who could not contribute to their society anymore for example.
this have happen multiple times in our world, hell in my country , we as colonial country had our entire economic based on slavery manpower in earlier 17-18 century in brazil, but once portugal have send the law to abide slavery, and enforced it later on; our history have show that many, of the so called free man, have choice to go back to their "Lords" now, because the situation that they had by being free, it was far worse than they had when they worked for them like for example many of them died of hunger.
I'm not saying that slavery is good; nor even close but as someone who have learned about it and the effects of it in my own country for a good amount of years in school and so on, i can resemble that "hibiki" slavery is far more similar than the "slavery" we had pos the free law, where they would accept it more about because of the circumstances that they are,no food; nor land. nothing to do to change that; than a typical slave stereotype, where the hymans would be killing devils slaves everywhere and so on, this is not the type of slave that hibiki have in her plan, but without doubt it will happen to many of them, but would still be better than going extinct, this is just how severe they are right now, and with the arrival of makoto's asora teleport ability, things may chance for better but without it, i can totally see they accepting without even going to war.

The demons might accept it if Hibiki has the political capital, unquestionable power, and social capital (trust) with the demons. At the moment, Hibiki's grudge is getting in the way. To be honest, she's really similar to Rona and I could easily imagine her going the same route as Sari in Asora. Sari wants to bring the demons into Asora somehow after learning all of the circumstances regarding Asora. Makoto and Hibiki's talk later in the arc do imply that kind of foreshadowing.

Well if I was in Hibiki's position, I would instead go for a secret negotiation with the Demon Lord to stall the war and have it become a cold war or simply orchestrate small scale skirmishes. I would send the political hindrances to die in those skirmishes, while I domestically gather power slowly and consolidate it all to either overthrow the throne or intimidate to peacefully abdicate. Then, orchestrate a major event that discredits the BUG's religion while introducing another religion in its place.

....huh is reading Dungeon Defense influencing me in a bad way...? No, wait I always played that way in conquest and strategy games.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by Hiro Hayase

The demons might accept it if Hibiki has the political capital, unquestionable power, and social capital (trust) with the demons. At the moment, Hibiki's grudge is getting in the way. To be honest, she's really similar to Rona and I could easily imagine her going the same route as Sari in Asora. Sari wants to bring the demons into Asora somehow after learning all of the circumstances regarding Asora. Makoto and Hibiki's talk later in the arc do imply that kind of foreshadowing.

To be fair, there's a lot more in the way of Hibiki forming a secret truce with the demons than her grudge.

1) There's the demon's grudge against hyumans
2) The fact that (currently) Hibiki has no reason to want to ally with the demons,
3) Hibiki is on the hyumans' side,
4) Hibiki doesn't have a big objection to the BUG, except for the treatment of demi-humans. (Not much sympathy for her enemies who have tried to kill her multiple times)

Hibiki is pretty rational, but (for now) she is also firmly in the Limia camp.

[Morilinde]

Spoiler for Hide Spoilers:

Funny thing you mention that Hibiki would sacrifice 1000 people to have Makoto send back to Earth. Later on he disccovers the gate himself and learns of the price. He tries to bargain (offering his considerable mana pool) but the Gate refuses. So he shoots the hell out of it

Shoulk Makoto ever know that Hibiki thinks of him or others as objects to sacrifice he would probably consider her an enemy because there is one thing Makoto hates the most: sacrificing other living beings. He reacts like that when Sari joins his group, the same goes for the Neptune' answer 'we suicide should our brothers invade Asora'. I think that's the main difference between him and the other heroes.

Edit: sorry for the spoiler, i read through older comments and I thought they didn't hid all the things which happen in the coming chapters.

[El Rue]

Do try to keep spoilers hidden specially since there is an active translation going on.

Give people the choice to be either be spoiled or not I say.

[J4n1]

Spoiler tags are great, use them.

Really waiting for the next chapter, and using all my willpower to stay away from google translation.

[Hokoga]

JUST read the recently translated chapter and Extra 4.

I am having some mixed feelings about Makoto's parents after reading the extra 4 chapter.

[Ruki0089]

Yeah, me too... especially his mother...
Never thought His mother is that kind woman...
Also... It's possible that Makoto is half human half hyuman due his mother's adultery with human on earth which give him japanese like look...

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by Ruki0089

Yeah, me too... especially his mother...
Never thought His mother is that kind woman...
Also... It's possible that Makoto is half human half hyuman due his mother's adultery with human on earth which give him japanese like look...

....Seriously?

She was <= 18 years old, was secluded from men her entire life, subject to raging hormones and puberty, and she did something stupid like fall for the lies of a professional seducer?

Le gasp! Say it isn't so!

Also, whaddya mean by "that kind woman"? If we were all judged FOREVER by the stuff we did as teenagers.....

[albatros]

it's the godess that shoked me:does the autor plan some sort of redemption for her?see,no long ago i would have called her the bug!