Is Naruto worthy of the rank -----?

[lime_green]

i have no doubt that he's going to become a chuunin (it's his show anyway), but is he worthy... i don't think so.

[tramadrama]

He's too immature battle-wise to be Chuunin. What's amazing to me is that the ninja with the tape on his nose (can't remember his name) said a mouthful about comparing Naruto and Neji's performance to Shika's in the Chuunin exam. They were both unfit to be chuunin. Then, most know the rest of the story about that at this point.

Originally Posted by Soultis Rayn

He's only perfect Chuunin material in determination and the fact that he has a big advantage with the Kyuubi, but other than that...he sucks.

Kyubi has nothing to do with it. Shik has no advantage with that and became chuunin.

If Naruto took his street smarts and add it to some battle smarts, then maybe. The finishing move on Neji was perfectly executed. It's things like that which catches the eyes. But the rest of the fight was reckless.

[Zek]

Spoiler for Manga:

As long as Tsunade is the Hokage, it doesn't really matter what rank Naruto is because she's perfectly willing to put him on S Rank missions as a Genin. He's already a Jounin level ninja and she knows that. If he's ever promoted I think it will just be a minor detail that happens during a timeskip or something. Hell, with Tsunade in charge Naruto could go straight from Genin to Hokage.

[tsukiko-chan]

you make a good point Zek with tsunade in charge naruto does A rank missions all the time

[truesayian]

OK, this place is starting to get to me..

ok, first of all.. yall need to rething the definition of what makes a chunnin.. LEADERSHIP alone is not the ONLY determining factor of what makes a chunnin.. Shakamaru got promoted because of his analsis and potiental leadership skills.. that's great and all.. but what's that leadership going to do without power... Get your whole team killed..

Second.. just having the chunnin rank, doesn't mean you have to be a squad leader... Were's sakura's squad? or Ino's? or even Kiba's? Ever thought that was just given to maybe some of the chunnin's? or just to the ones that were qualified to be the squad leaders? ahah.. having an army of genins with a chunnin leader would be a joke in a serious fight..

Third.. saying naruto isn't qualified to be a chunnin because he went in head first for a one on one fight that he had confidence he could win... It was a fight after all. what you want him to do? Sit and think of a statagy.. and give up when you think it's a lost cause...? It was a one on one fight.. you have to get down and dirty sometimes..

Forth.. Naruto doesn't know enough jutsu's? He know's enough to win a fight.. Knows many inscanely power ones.. KB's are a elite technique people... just because he can use and abuse em, doesn't downgrade the jitsu any. Not to mention the 4th's pride and joy, Rasengan.. And he's even beefed up version.. and the soon to be completed one. In a proper fight, the enemy only see them once..

And Finally.... "...some jutus's (Odama Rasengan) that’s at least worth Chuunin lvl." you.. just you... calling a juiced up version of the 4th move at least worth of a chunnin lvl jutsu... please... stop joking arround..

[suzy223]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

Is Naruto the rank Chuunin worthy?

Shikamaru became a genin after his preformance in the main matches.
He lost..didnt use genjutsu or taijutsu at all. He never even hit his opponent.
Shikamaru tactically outsmarted Temari. And he possesed "the most important attribute" for a chuunin. (Leadership)

Yet, became a chuunin.

We know the battles of Naruto during the Chuunin exam and main matches.

[Lets talk about Kiba's battle and compare it to Shikamaru's battle.]

IF you ask me that was a battle worthy to call Naruto...a chuunin (if you would compare that to Shikamaru)

1: He captured Akamaru very smart, and was able to bite Kiba (he caught Kiba totally offguard) Excellent timing and use of Kage bunshin+Henge No Jutsu

2: Used Henge to confuse Kiba & Akamaru by transforming into their forms. Right after he got hit..he changed into Akamaru.
Then not only he made Kiba attack Akamaru but Naruto was also able to hit Kiba and catch him again...offguard.

3: Then his finishing move which he saw from Sasuke...with a bit improvisation he made a very decent move.

Now if you ask me... IF Naruto fought like that in the main matches...he'd have a great chance of becoming a Chuunin. (Naruto's Leadership may be a flaw but i think the rest of his ability's are enough)

What do you guys think?

I think he lacks knowledge and maturity. (No offence).

If he wants to be a chuunin, he has to be Shikamaru-smart. If he wants to be a jounin, he has to be Kakashi-smart.

...

Those are the standard's I go by, at least...

[Rachy]

Shikamaru is basically smarter than most jounin.

Spoiler:

If Rock Lee can get into chuunin rank, anyone can.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by truesayian

OK, this place is starting to get to me..

ok, first of all.. yall need to rething the definition of what makes a chunnin.. LEADERSHIP alone is not the ONLY determining factor of what makes a chunnin.. Shakamaru got promoted because of his analsis and potiental leadership skills.. that's great and all.. but what's that leadership going to do without power... Get your whole team killed..

Second.. just having the chunnin rank, doesn't mean you have to be a squad leader... Were's sakura's squad? or Ino's? or even Kiba's? Ever thought that was just given to maybe some of the chunnin's? or just to the ones that were qualified to be the squad leaders? ahah.. having an army of genins with a chunnin leader would be a joke in a serious fight..

Third.. saying naruto isn't qualified to be a chunnin because he went in head first for a one on one fight that he had confidence he could win... It was a fight after all. what you want him to do? Sit and think of a statagy.. and give up when you think it's a lost cause...? It was a one on one fight.. you have to get down and dirty sometimes..

Forth.. Naruto doesn't know enough jutsu's? He know's enough to win a fight.. Knows many inscanely power ones.. KB's are a elite technique people... just because he can use and abuse em, doesn't downgrade the jitsu any. Not to mention the 4th's pride and joy, Rasengan.. And he's even beefed up version.. and the soon to be completed one. In a proper fight, the enemy only see them once..

And Finally.... "...some jutus's (Odama Rasengan) that’s at least worth Chuunin lvl." you.. just you... calling a juiced up version of the 4th move at least worth of a chunnin lvl jutsu... please... stop joking arround..

( this is was trying to explain earlier...)
So I agree but some are definetly manga material (this thread wasnt manga only)

Shikamaru proved to posses the "most important attribute" which was leadership (Asuma's words)

[Databook]

0# This is basic and is learned on the academy Henge No Jutsu/Bunshin No Jutsu

1# Naruto's first jutsu ever was Kage Bunshin/Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu (B/A Rank, jounin lvl)

2# Naruto's second jutsu was Oiroke no Jutsu/Haarem no Jutsu (E/A Ranked, his own invention)

3# Naruto's third jutsu Kuchiyose no Jutsu (C rank)

4# Naruto's fourth jutsu was Rasengan (A rank)

Spoiler for Manga:

5# Naruto's fifth jutsu Oodama Rasengan (a potential S ranked jutsu)

6# This will probably his new jutsu which (if he succeeds) will probably be a Super S ranked jutsu or maybe higher, as Kakashi said.

And unlike many Naruto is able to show these jutsu's multiple times a day and most are jounin lvl jutsu's.

[Chuunin]
"The Chuunin is the basic journeyman ninja of the village. These ninja can become field doctors or teachers. They were formerly Genin who were promoted for displaying excellent intelligence, strategy and combat skills in the Chuunin Exam. Chuunin have the equivalent rank of military captain, exhibiting strong stamina, knowledge and inner wisdom."

- Intelligence is where Naruto would fail...
- Strategy is usually on the lvl of a genin or chuunin (Neji) and sometimes (Zabuza) on the lvl of a jounin
- Combat skills are probably on the lvl of a very skilled chuunin or even jounin.

source: Leafninja

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by miss rave

Shikamaru is basically smarter than most jounin.

Spoiler:

If Rock Lee can get into chuunin rank, anyone can.

Spoiler:

I dont think you should think about Rock Lee that way, Just because he has shown to be a Comic relief, does not means he is not smart...just as a character named Hidan

[Rachy]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Spoiler:

I dont think you should think about Rock Lee that way, Just because he has shown to be a Comic relief, does not means he is not smart...just as a character named Hidan

Spoiler:

Oh no no Lee's much worse than that, He really is rather dense while Hidan isn't. Rock Lee can become a chuunin then Naruto can become a Chuunin for sure .

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by miss rave

Spoiler:

Oh no no Lee's much worse than that, He really is rather dense while Hidan isn't. Rock Lee can become a chuunin then Naruto can become a Chuunin for sure .

Spoiler:

Nahhh, Rock Lee showed he knows his stuff in the Chunin exam (whe he fought Sasuke and explaining things trought the Chunin test). he is not a Genius, but he do have the Leadership Qualities

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Spoiler:

Nahhh, Rock Lee showed he knows his stuff in the Chunin exam (whe he fought Sasuke and explaining things trought the Chunin test). he is not a Genius, but he do have the Leadership Qualities

Spoiler:

IF Sasuke didnt act so stupid and really revealed the Sharingan's abilities (like copy movements right away like Kakashi-Zabuza) Then Naruto & Sakura would explain things.

It was only Natural that Lee could explain things about the Byakugan and Hyuuga's abilities.

Not only that...he is a year older and has more experience.

But if Lee can stand on water right now...is a chuunin ....then he should be able to mold his chakra better...correct? Perhaps he can use jutsu's eventually.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

IF Sasuke didnt act so stupid and really revealed the Sharingan's abilities (like copy movements right away like Kakashi-Zabuza)

If Sasuke wouldn't have acted stupid and showed Lee Sharingan, he wouldn't have reached the last phase of the Chuunin test, since he passed because of copying Lee's technique with the help of that sharingan.

Also Lee has sufficient level of intelligence, strategy, and skills (maybe not the typical kind of). Against Gaara, Shikamaru would have died before even becoming a Chuunin.

[Slayerx]

Y'know, pre-timeskip, intellgence isn't the only thing that kept naruto from being chunin... he suffered from the same problem many other genin suffered from... Arrogance

Most of the genin pre-timeskip had a certain amount of arrogance that made whatever amount of intellegence they had pretty much useless... Though don't believe much in working as a team, they mostly go for soloing battles and getting some kind of personal glory... Naruto, was always blinded by wanting to prove himself to everyone else; Neji had a seriously heavy Ego; Sasuke always wanted to get stronger for himself; Rock Lee was obcessed with proving that hardwork beats genius (ok, not sure if arrogance is the right word for that one, but you get what i mean)... the list pretty much goes on like that... In MOST cases, when these guys are faced with an enemy, their first option would be to charge in solo to take them on, as opposed to teaming up with their allies... the only time they would team attack is AFTER they tried to solo, got beaten down and realized that they couldn't do it alone... one can not think about a team when they are too busy thinking about themselves... Shikamaru is one of the few who was not only intellegent but didn't carry somekind of arrogance

They were all young and immature, and thought manly of themselves

Spoiler:

This is also why we see them all promoted to chunin rank post-timeskip... With age comes maturity, and with marurity comes the loss of arrogance... The characters stop behaving like children, realized that the world doesn't revolve around them, and are finally able to think of doing what's best for the team, instead of themselves...

Originally Posted by truesayian

ok, first of all.. yall need to rething the definition of what makes a chunnin.. LEADERSHIP alone is not the ONLY determining factor of what makes a chunnin.. Shakamaru got promoted because of his analsis and potiental leadership skills.. that's great and all.. but what's that leadership going to do without power... Get your whole team killed..

a leader would use his superior intellgence to make the maximum use of his teams abilities in order to make sure his team can take on odds that they would normally die against... It's all about TEAM battle, the better the leader, the beeter the stradegy, the higher the chance for survival for everyone...

And lets reverse that question... a chunin with all power but no low intellgence... What if his team faced an opponent that was stronger themhimself... he's just gonna suck and die that's what... He would charge in head first get himself killed and then his whole team would quickly follow...

whole team fighting a maximum efficancy >>>> single strong leader and bunch of genin

Second.. just having the chunnin rank, doesn't mean you have to be a squad leader... Were's sakura's squad? or Ino's? or even Kiba's? Ever thought that was just given to maybe some of the chunnin's? or just to the ones that were qualified to be the squad leaders? ahah.. having an army of genins with a chunnin leader would be a joke in a serious fight..

While not all chunins are given a team to lead, they are expected to be capable of sucessfully leading a team of chunin/genin if needed... So while none of those chunin have teams, if tsunade found need for it, she could entrust a team of genin to any one of them...

[Xelsol]

Originally Posted by truesayian

Second.. just having the chunnin rank, doesn't mean you have to be a squad leader... Were's sakura's squad? or Ino's? or even Kiba's? Ever thought that was just given to maybe some of the chunnin's? or just to the ones that were qualified to be the squad leaders? ahah.. having an army of genins with a chunnin leader would be a joke in a serious fight..

Have you seen any missions, post time skip, that a squad of genins (with chuunin leader) or chuunins (also with chuunin leader) could actually survive in? There may be, or may have been, missions that allowed Sakura, Ino, or Kiba to take a squad of genins or chuunins. These would have been very low ranked missions though, seeings as a C ranked mission was quite a bit for Kakashi's squad in the beginning, and the leader was a Jounin.

[truesayian]

Or you can simply accept the fact that they dont have a squad.

[truesayian]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

a leader would use his superior intellgence to make the maximum use of his teams abilities in order to make sure his team can take on odds that they would normally die against... It's all about TEAM battle, the better the leader, the beeter the stradegy, the higher the chance for survival for everyone...

And lets reverse that question... a chunin with all power but no low intellgence... What if his team faced an opponent that was stronger themhimself... he's just gonna suck and die that's what... He would charge in head first get himself killed and then his whole team would quickly follow...

whole team fighting a maximum efficancy >>>> single strong leader and bunch of genin



While not all chunins are given a team to lead, they are expected to be capable of sucessfully leading a team of chunin/genin if needed... So while none of those chunin have teams, if tsunade found need for it, she could entrust a team of genin to any one of them...

Am i saying leadership isn't the most important quality in the whole ninja process.. no, because it is.

But should it be the main and sole determining factor in the process of becoming a chunnin, and moving up a ninja ladder? no.

Its simple, not everyone is and is going to be a good leader, that's a fact. But to deny a very skilled ninja who can follow orders, a position because he cant be a leader is just wrong.

Being a leader is not a requirment to be a chunnin, it is the most important quality in the over end of thing, but not is the go or no go determining factor.

Now, for naruto to become hokage, yes he will have to learn that leadership.

If he wants to be a chuunin, he has to be Shikamaru-smart. If he wants to be a jounin, he has to be Kakashi-smart.

...

Those are the standard's I go by, at least...

not going to happan. NEVER.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by truesayian

Or you can simply accept the fact that they dont have a squad.

No, they just don't have perminate teams... they however could be assigned a team of genin/chunin should the need arise...
Shikamaru is a prime example of this... Currently, he like the other chunins does not have a team, however, during the sasuke rescue arc Tsunade ordered Shikamaru to form a team and go after the sound ninja... Tsunade could pretty much do this with ANY chunin, since they all have proven to have decent leadership skills...

Am i saying leadership isn't the most important quality in the whole ninja process.. no, because it is.

But should it be the main and sole determining factor in the process of becoming a chunnin, and moving up a ninja ladder? no.

Its simple, not everyone is and is going to be a good leader, that's a fact. But to deny a very skilled ninja who can follow orders, a position because he cant be a leader is just wrong.

Being a leader is not a requirment to be a chunnin, it is the most important quality in the over end of thing, but not is the go or no go determining factor.

Well, considering the chunin rank in naruto is practically defined as being a leadership, it pretty much is a requirement... Think about it, can you name a jounin or chunin who do not seem to possess a decent amount of leadership skill? saying not everone is gonna be a good leader doesn't sound like much of a fact... (also, don't bother mentioning chunins post time skip... we haven't seen enough of them to really make a call on their intellegence... though i'd be willing to bet they are all capable of leading genin teams)

If all a ninja is gonna do is follow orders and fight, then there's little reason to bother promoting him... he might aswell just keep his genin title seeing as he's just gonna wind up ALWAYS working underneth another ninja leader... i mean, would you promote a Corprol to Lieutenant if he was never expected to lead a plattoon?... the rank of chunin pretty much looses value when you take away it's leadership qualities...

[MobiuS]

Plus the fact that the stone statues in Konoha have a higher IQ than Naruto ..

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by flexx

I voted "no".

Given the explanation what makes you a chuunin, naruto isn't worth it. As a chuunin you have to lead a squad.
And I can see naruto being quite smart in a fight himself 1vs1. But considering all his teammates and the enemy; I just think that this is to much for him

And as a chuunin you have to check your environment and use it for your advantage... shikamaru did so, naruto didn't.

Naruto is quite the fighter and can come up with very good ideas in a fight 1vs1. But this is just for himself.
But he is not a leader. A leader must know the strength of the teammates and the enemy, analyze it and use it for his advantage.
I don't think naruto is clever enough for this and will never be.

btw: if the series follows a logical way, naruto will never become hokage but an hermit like jiraya

Honestly i think that Naruto fights very different when he has teammembers who cant defend themselves from an enemy.

The reason why i think this is because:

When Irukai was testing all genins he captured Moegi (the little academy student, Konohamaru's friend) Naruto freed her.

Brought her into safety with a Kage Bunshin and then attacked the opponent.

Gaara has his shield to protect his potential fellow members.
Shikamaru would have is IQ but cant really protect them with special abilities (perhaps his own shadow to control their motions?)
And Naruto has Kage Bunshin...to protect each of his members.