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TheWinterCold · 2009-03-14, 02:31

If you upload anime episodes eg. sites such as veoh, youtube, someone on the forum told me it's about 80 mg
but i went to download an episode, and it's about 200+ mg?
is that right?
dl-ing bigger than up-loading?
hmmm...

Zephyranthes · 2009-03-14, 06:00

Files on youtube or other streaming sites are usually smaller since the video quality is lower than downloading regular the normal .avi or .mkv via torrent (eg: from animesuki).

Claies · 2009-03-14, 19:30

80MB for a Youtube format of a 30-minute anime episode sounds about right.

If you download an episode, different sub groups set different sizes for their releases (when they deal with the raw video before adding subs the files were way larger). Larger files (usually) make for higher quality, but there are certain sizes that groups release in so that they fit nicely into discs if you burn them. 200MB is usually chosen because one season of 24 episodes would fit on a DVD-R (4.9GB), and a few years ago people pick 175MB because four of them fit on a CD-R (700MB).

I've seen H.264 1280x720 formats go around 240MB-350MB nowadays, because there's not as much of a need to burn into DVDs when external hard drives are more efficient.

TheWinterCold · 2009-03-15, 02:29

so i guess the options are

upload and have average quality, but i can watch 4-5x the amount of anime
or
download and have 'supposed' good quality, but watch 1/4-1/5 the amount of anime

what do you guys think???

Claies · 2009-03-15, 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWinterCold

so i guess the options are

upload and have average quality, but i can watch 4-5x the amount of anime
or
download and have 'supposed' good quality, but watch 1/4-1/5 the amount of anime

what do you guys think???

I'm afraid I don't understand - do you have terrible download speeds or something? You can easily let it download overnight or when you are away from the computer, it's not going to run away or something.

Also, the quality is really, really good. If you're the crowd that got really used to Youtube and Crunchyroll it'll probably take you a little bit to get used to it, but seriously, nobody ever argues against a bigger picture.

***GHDpro*** · 2009-03-15, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWinterCold

so i guess the options are

upload and have average quality, but i can watch 4-5x the amount of anime
or
download and have 'supposed' good quality, but watch 1/4-1/5 the amount of anime

what do you guys think???

That may be technically right, but only if your connection is rather slow, and if you can only watch and download anime at the same time. With a fast enough connection it doesn't really matter downloadable anime has a higher file size, plus you can always download when you're doing things other than watching anime (such as sleeping; just leave your PC on during the night).

About the only advantage I see is that you can watch YouTube videos instantly, while downloading always takes some time, even on the fastest of connections. But if a file is available for downloading before it appears on YouTube that's a mute point.

Also... YouTube has a 10 minute limit. You will have to chop the episode up into 2-3 parts to upload it whole.

Edit:
Also, with the right equipment a HD fansub blows YouTube completely away quality-wise. The difference is staggering.

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. I agree with a data limit you have to think how you are going to spend your "bandwidth allowance", so it makes sense to go for the smallest size if you want to watch as much anime as possible. But the limit you talk of is extremely low. Is there really no better provider? In the Netherlands you can get 20mbps ADSL without download caps (really generous fair use policy) for 20 euro/month. In fact no provider in the Netherlands that I know of has download limits. They had/have them in Belgium though, but even there they're loosing up now.

Claies · 2009-03-15, 12:37

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Originally Posted by GHDpro

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Is that an open secret or am I woefully ignorant?

But yeah...download limits are evil. Even legitimate files are getting larger in size, so there's some danger to business in keeping caps around.

jigoku shoujo · 2009-03-15, 16:30

you can find many websites who re-encode several animes to reduce the size and upload to rapidshare, mediafire, etc, I don't like this idea but if your plan is to save bandwidth...

TheWinterCold · 2009-03-15, 23:47

well the plan i am on is ending in a few months, and then i can go on a much,much better one
every kind of plan in aus has a cap

also, i should explain the plan i am on...

i get a connection speed of around 100mg p/s
and a dl speed of 160-170kb p/s
^yes that dl speed is fast in aus

Shadow Kira01 · 2009-03-16, 16:21

The size of an anime episode file depends on the format of the file, as well as where you get it.

XVID = 175mb+
MKV = 225mb+

LQ = 50-80mb+
HQ = 200-350mb+
Blue-Ray = 500-750mb+

Youtube = depending on whether its SQ or HQ, the size varies

TubZzz · 2009-03-16, 19:07

.rmvb formatted episodes are like 80mb... the quality isn't too bad probably similar to youtube stuff

jpwong · 2009-03-16, 19:16

It's all a matter of how much anime you are interested in and what your bandwith cap is.

For example, if you're in some of those US areas (as an example) that's instiuting 5GB/month bandwith caps, you might as well kiss watching any at all away.

I would say conventionally, a lot of ISPs seem to be tinkering along the lines of 60GB/month as a "low" end cap which would still permit 5-7 weekly series and still have enough free bandwith to do other things.

Your size will depend on lots of factors though. HD content instantly jumps you into the 230-500MB/episode ranges while SD content can run as low as 100MB/episode.

Also, MKV is not a codec

chikorita157 · 2009-03-16, 20:46

Most cable companies in the US like Comcast/Time Warner/Cablevision implement 250 GB caps on their connections... and even worse, they can throttle your connection if you use too much bandwidth which is why many people are complaining about slow download speeds over bittorrent or any app using excessive amounts of bandwidth (VoIP, video streaming, etc.) Not to mention, you can easily go over your cap by streaming videos with a legitimate service like Netflix or play online video games.

In my case, my ISP (Verizon) does not cap nor throttle my connection, but my download and upload speeds are lower since I'm on DSL.

TheWinterCold · 2009-03-23, 02:19

maybe this sounds presumptuous, but i think you guys take what you have for granted, as i said, i get 8gb a month, and that is generally enough for me, though i sometimes wish i had more (for anime purposes).

"...implement 250 GB caps on their connections... and even worse, they can throttle your connection if you use too much bandwidth" "people are complaining about slow download speeds" what are these speeds? like 200mg/per second?

you guys should think about how little you pay for how much... i shudder to think of even the slowed down versions of your plans^

***GHDpro*** · 2009-03-23, 03:00

A 250 GB "cap" isn't really much of a cap unless you're into downloading full DVD ISOs or something.

Even with high quality 500 MB per episode HDTV fansubs, you won't really hit that cap unless you really have nothing to do than watch fansubs all day long.

In contrast, a 8 GB cap is much, much more painful... I wouldn't be able to handle it myself I think.

jpwong · 2009-03-23, 08:00

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Originally Posted by GHDpro

A 250 GB "cap" isn't really much of a cap unless you're into downloading full DVD ISOs or something.

I have to agree with that. I remember seeing a forum when comcast announced their 250GB/month cap and watching all the rage with people saying they do at least twice that. And here I am having had to deal with 60GB/month caps ever since I got broadband.

chikorita157 · 2009-03-23, 08:19

Even worse, mobile broadband companies like Verizon and AT&T put 6GB bandwidth caps on their mobile broadband cards... but mobile broadband isn't designed for downloading large files, but you can easily use 6GB with heavy web surfing.

jigoku shoujo · 2009-03-26, 15:55

250gb cap lol, my statistics of downloaded in utorrent still below this after ~6 months, I think some guys are really heavy downloaders...

2009-03-14, 02:31	Link #1
TheWinterCold Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne	Anime Sizes? If you upload anime episodes eg. sites such as veoh, youtube, someone on the forum told me it's about 80 mg but i went to download an episode, and it's about 200+ mg? is that right? dl-ing bigger than up-loading? hmmm...

2009-03-16, 16:21	Link #10
Shadow Kira01 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: PMB Headquarters	The size of an anime episode file depends on the format of the file, as well as where you get it. XVID = 175mb+ MKV = 225mb+ LQ = 50-80mb+ HQ = 200-350mb+ Blue-Ray = 500-750mb+ Youtube = depending on whether its SQ or HQ, the size varies Last edited by Shadow Kira01; 2009-03-16 at 16:33. Reason: added blue-ray.

2009-03-16, 19:16	Link #12
jpwong Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	It's all a matter of how much anime you are interested in and what your bandwith cap is. For example, if you're in some of those US areas (as an example) that's instiuting 5GB/month bandwith caps, you might as well kiss watching any at all away. I would say conventionally, a lot of ISPs seem to be tinkering along the lines of 60GB/month as a "low" end cap which would still permit 5-7 weekly series and still have enough free bandwith to do other things. Your size will depend on lots of factors though. HD content instantly jumps you into the 230-500MB/episode ranges while SD content can run as low as 100MB/episode. Also, MKV is not a codec __________________

2009-03-16, 20:46	Link #13
chikorita157 ひきこもりアイドル IT Support Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pennsylvania , United States Age: 34	Most cable companies in the US like Comcast/Time Warner/Cablevision implement 250 GB caps on their connections... and even worse, they can throttle your connection if you use too much bandwidth which is why many people are complaining about slow download speeds over bittorrent or any app using excessive amounts of bandwidth (VoIP, video streaming, etc.) Not to mention, you can easily go over your cap by streaming videos with a legitimate service like Netflix or play online video games. In my case, my ISP (Verizon) does not cap nor throttle my connection, but my download and upload speeds are lower since I'm on DSL. __________________ Chikorita157's Anime Blog \| Atelier Shiori (Personal Sideblog) \| Tumblr \| Twitter

2009-03-23, 08:19	Link #17
chikorita157 ひきこもりアイドル IT Support Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pennsylvania , United States Age: 34	Even worse, mobile broadband companies like Verizon and AT&T put 6GB bandwidth caps on their mobile broadband cards... but mobile broadband isn't designed for downloading large files, but you can easily use 6GB with heavy web surfing. __________________ Chikorita157's Anime Blog \| Atelier Shiori (Personal Sideblog) \| Tumblr \| Twitter

2009-03-14, 06:00	Link #2
Zephyranthes Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Age: 37	Files on youtube or other streaming sites are usually smaller since the video quality is lower than downloading regular the normal .avi or .mkv via torrent (eg: from animesuki).

2009-03-14, 19:30	Link #3
Claies Good-Natured Asshole. Join Date: May 2007 Age: 34	80MB for a Youtube format of a 30-minute anime episode sounds about right. If you download an episode, different sub groups set different sizes for their releases (when they deal with the raw video before adding subs the files were way larger). Larger files (usually) make for higher quality, but there are certain sizes that groups release in so that they fit nicely into discs if you burn them. 200MB is usually chosen because one season of 24 episodes would fit on a DVD-R (4.9GB), and a few years ago people pick 175MB because four of them fit on a CD-R (700MB). I've seen H.264 1280x720 formats go around 240MB-350MB nowadays, because there's not as much of a need to burn into DVDs when external hard drives are more efficient.

2009-03-15, 02:29	Link #4
TheWinterCold Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne	so i guess the options are upload and have average quality, but i can watch 4-5x the amount of anime or download and have 'supposed' good quality, but watch 1/4-1/5 the amount of anime what do you guys think???

2009-03-15, 16:30	Link #8
jigoku shoujo Member Join Date: Feb 2009	you can find many websites who re-encode several animes to reduce the size and upload to rapidshare, mediafire, etc, I don't like this idea but if your plan is to save bandwidth...

2009-03-15, 23:47	Link #9
TheWinterCold Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne	well the plan i am on is ending in a few months, and then i can go on a much,much better one every kind of plan in aus has a cap also, i should explain the plan i am on... i get a connection speed of around 100mg p/s and a dl speed of 160-170kb p/s ^yes that dl speed is fast in aus

2009-03-16, 19:07	Link #11
TubZzz Senior Member IT Support Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Age: 33	.rmvb formatted episodes are like 80mb... the quality isn't too bad probably similar to youtube stuff

2009-03-23, 02:19	Link #14
TheWinterCold Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne	maybe this sounds presumptuous, but i think you guys take what you have for granted, as i said, i get 8gb a month, and that is generally enough for me, though i sometimes wish i had more (for anime purposes). "...implement 250 GB caps on their connections... and even worse, they can throttle your connection if you use too much bandwidth" "people are complaining about slow download speeds" what are these speeds? like 200mg/per second? you guys should think about how little you pay for how much... i shudder to think of even the slowed down versions of your plans^

2009-03-23, 03:00	Link #15
*GHDpro* Administrator Administrator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 45	A 250 GB "cap" isn't really much of a cap unless you're into downloading full DVD ISOs or something. Even with high quality 500 MB per episode HDTV fansubs, you won't really hit that cap unless you really have nothing to do than watch fansubs all day long. In contrast, a 8 GB cap is much, much more painful... I wouldn't be able to handle it myself I think.

2009-03-26, 15:55	Link #18
jigoku shoujo Member Join Date: Feb 2009	250gb cap lol, my statistics of downloaded in utorrent still below this after ~6 months, I think some guys are really heavy downloaders...