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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 33 | 22.76% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 50 | 34.48% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 39 | 26.90% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 7.59% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 2.76% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 2.07% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.38% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.69% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.69% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.69% | |
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2009-11-05, 20:28 | Link #81 | |
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The catch is that you need to use the blue in a way that will destroy the adversary's thesis. In this case Battler needs to use the blue to deny witches and magic. Since Beatrice is compelled to counter all the blue texts, someone once proposed this way for Battler to win: Witches exist! Beatrice can't counter that, because witches existing is exactly her thesis. She won't deny witches in red. But this thing can't be said in blue. I guess that with this example you can understand why this rule is needed. To make another example. Let's take the chapel closed room. Battler can say: There are two keys that can open the chapel's door, this way this isn't closed room at all This work, because with this hypothesis you can explain this mystery without magic. Then Beatrice will obviously counter with: Only one key to the chapel exists! But let us take the closed room of Eva and Hideyoshi in Ep1 and let's say Battler will try to say this: The culprit has one master key so that's how he closed the door! This wouldn't work. Because this doesn't explain the mystery at all. The room was closed with a chain, so even if the culprit has a key, you can't explain how he did it.
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2009-11-05, 20:41 | Link #84 |
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Well I wouldn't use the word "confirm", but the blue text is meant to be used for the purpose of proposing alternative possibilities which must be in opposition to the adversary's thesis.
For example if Beatrice's thesis is: "I did it with magic". Battler must explain a way for someone to do that with "human tricks", he cant' say "Virgilia did it with magic". Even if this is different from what Beatrice sated it still doesn't deny witches and magic.
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2009-11-05, 20:44 | Link #85 |
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The catch with blue truths is that the witch is forced to counter every one of them with red truths before of the end of the game, she can't escape by saying 'I refuse' like she has been doing before. This is the advantage Battler gains.
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2009-11-05, 20:46 | Link #86 |
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If that's the case I find it kind of weird that the counter-thesis needs to be even blue at all.
I mean Battler's been doing it normally for the first 3 arcs so why all of the sudden is this "blue text" pushed upon us? EDIT: Ah thank you Proto, nevermind then.
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2009-11-05, 21:06 | Link #89 |
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Damn this episode was over before I noticed. One of the rare times I just kept focused on what was going on and then was surprised by the ending starting. It's a good thing Ange is around since Battler needs something to get him fired up. This isn't just some game. Your up against an enemy and need to go full tilt to run them down.
Surprised she didn't say anything about her identity and instead went with a codename. Suppose she wants him to focus on this fight instead of who she is. Although might be she just doesn't want to show him how she has changed. Though does he seriously have no idea? I mean same eyes, hair, and quote that apparently is a family trait. Certainly her life was as rough as I was expecting. Was treated coldly by Eva and had a difficult time at school as well. Considering the whole jumping off buildings thing she probably didn't care much about what happened to herself. All that mattered was finding out what happened to her family. If she couldn't have that then she had no more reason to stay alive. I'm not much of a cat person but the Bernkastel cat was pretty cute . Just great though. Add another level of complexity with the blue. I still think the best strategy is to beat Beatrice over the head with a table until she gives up . Hopefully the Battler and Ange duo can do this. I'm just saying right now, not going to fall for the same thing twice. Any sympathetic expressions from Beatrice will be strictly ignored. Time to stay firm and resolute. On a side note, Okonogi!?!? What the hell is he doing here? Now there's a face I didn't expect to see....Don't know if this is just a hahaha thing or means something even more devious is going on.
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2009-11-05, 21:07 | Link #90 | |
do you know ベアトリーチェ様?
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2009-11-05, 21:27 | Link #92 | ||
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So he now can lose even if he doesn't accept that witches exist. That is the price he pays. |
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2009-11-05, 21:59 | Link #93 | |
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Before the blue truth, he only knows of a way to lose: he accepts witches. He didn't really have any win condition at all to work with. So even if his "lose condition" becomes considerably larger, any win condition is better than none. Well, it was probably to the point where, with Ange's guidance, Battler would just have not bothered to participate if she didn't throw him a bone. She doesn't particularly want to be playing the game forever and get nowhere either. |
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2009-11-05, 22:00 | Link #94 | ||
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He's always had one. He has to prove the whole deal was done by humans. Once he does that, he wins.
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2009-11-05, 22:11 | Link #96 | |
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a.) Beatrice refuses to narrow anything down for him b.) His side isn't allowed to summon witnesses to help investigate the truth, and it's not likely every mystery will be solvable by digging for convenient physical evidence. It's just like any random one of us watchers/readers trying to "prove" a theory by ourselves, we and Battler are basically in the same boat if we can't interact with the creator/get confirmation in red. |
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2009-11-05, 22:26 | Link #98 | ||
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Amusingly, when Beato first shows up in the SN, she does seem to be genuinely worried that she'd crushed Battler's spirits a little _too_ hard, but that might be just because she needs him to keep the game going. Might just be a shout-out to Higurashi...or possibly, after getting tossed out of the conspiracy, he went into the family business? Or maybe it's an alternate-reality version who never joined the military.... |
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