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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 24 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 22 | 13.17% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 8.98% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 19 | 11.38% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 39 | 23.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 16 | 9.58% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 14 | 8.38% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 15 | 8.98% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.20% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 5 | 2.99% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 20 | 11.98% | |
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2009-12-13, 12:09 | Link #241 |
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I don't like that idea myself. It's not even a dirty trick - it's a cheap trick. They're referred to as Shannon and Kanon in the entire game ('Sayo' only comes up when Shannon is alone with George) so that's why their names are used in Beatrice's red like that. Even if Beato likes to play tricks and troll I don't think she would employ such cheap tactics.
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2009-12-13, 12:33 | Link #243 |
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Extending this line of thought, when Beatrice said "Nanjo is dead", "Shannon is dead" or "XX is dead", that XX could still be alive since she could latter add back that "The XX I said was just a person with the same name but not the one on Rokkenjima, so it was true"
So, in the end, no one died at all since all the people mentioned were just some random people who passed away long time ago. Last edited by ijriims; 2009-12-13 at 13:15. |
2009-12-13, 13:01 | Link #244 |
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Myne was just a simple reasoning to defend the "Kanon is dead. is actually someone else besides the Kanon that we know." idea; since Kanon may not refer to our Kanon.
Remember it's a work-name. Maybe work names may be passed down from other servants who has worked on the island before. Or maybe Kanon was actually the first servant who worked there (his real name was Kanon), and the servants recieve the names like ranks. Anyway, I don't have strong theories that proves who might have been the dead Kanon actually is, I'm only suggesting Kanon is dead is not the Kanon that we know, since it is not his real name. Actually, on the VN character portraits, these are the following descriptions of Shannon & Kanon; Shannon's: Furthermore, "Shannon" is a pseudonym strictly used during work, and is not her real name. Kanon's: There are several other servants who have "on" (音) in their pseudonym. That day, he and Shannon just happened to be on duty. Translations by Witch Hunt Now, what could the "several other servants" mean? Are they the ones working on Rokkenjima, or are they the ones that are from the orphanage? And what is exactly meant by "that day" in Kanon's portrait? |
2009-12-13, 14:03 | Link #245 | |
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2009-12-13, 14:05 | Link #246 | |
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"That day" obviously refers to October 4th. |
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2009-12-13, 14:13 | Link #247 |
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Wow the poll shaped quite randomly, remind me of all those Endless 8. Anyway, since we had the first 12 pages which mostly was about Deen and the adaptation. I will also want to have a few words about that:
First, I acknowledge that Deen really is bad at adaptation. I realised it since F/SN and it hold truth through Higurashi. I expected the same in Umineko and i guess i am still right. To say the truth, one thing that i want to see in my life is the day when Higurashi and Umineko will be re-animated by another studios, so then i can pass this anime to friends without explaining how much better the original source was (such a waste of this brilliant original source). However i admit some scenes could be quite silly trying to fit it into the anime. The "Goat-kun" for example was quite hilarious in the source, but as an anime watcher, i will think it's quite ridiculous and unfitting. Vigilia(?)'s "childish" nature is also quite a wtf moment for what have showed so far in the anime. Then all of the mugic which sound so brilliant in the anime, probably can't fit with Deen's low-budged and lazy animation. In short, the problem is the adaptation method, and the cut-screens/events and the lack of BGM could not be helped since they will not fit in anyway
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2009-12-13, 17:04 | Link #248 | |
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Kinzo/Goldsmith implies that some or all of the -on servants are magical furniture that he created. Also, Spoiler for because I can't remember when this is mentioned in the VN, but I'm positive it's prior to this point in the anime:
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2009-12-13, 18:00 | Link #249 | |
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2009-12-13, 20:51 | Link #250 |
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I gave this episode a 1/10 for ruining my favorite moment in the whole series up to this point: the end of the Gaap/George & Ronove/Jessica fight. I'd give it a 0/10 if I could. Bad enough (though I suppose understandable) that the sequence had to be split up between episodes. But the timing here is awful. I literally fell out of my chair at that point in the VN, what with the split-second turnaround and Gaap's troll face. But the ending is so telegraphed here that I felt no excitement at all.
I've officially given up on watching this anime. I didn't want to -- I hate not finishing something I've started -- but DEEN's adaptation is appalling. The only good decision they made for this show, in my opinion, was the casting for Battler, Beatrice, and Bernkastel. Everything else has just been disappointment on top of disappointment. |
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2009-12-13, 21:24 | Link #253 |
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I realize my post comes a bit late, but I wanted to cool off for a while after watching the episode so I didn't just rage out all over the place (as I kind of felt like doing at first). I apologize if I interrupted the flow of current discussion.
My apprehensions about how disappointingly those last two episodes might turn out are the very reason why I'm not sticking with it any longer. |
2009-12-13, 23:32 | Link #255 |
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I think it is because Battler only knew Shannon but not Sayo (reserved for George), there's no reason for Beatrice to say Sayo other than Shannon in her red texts. And probably Battler did not know Kanon's real name yet.
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2009-12-14, 07:17 | Link #257 | |
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And if the wordgame is what I think you're referring to, that's a completely different thing from "Kanon is dead" or "Shannon is dead." |
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2009-12-14, 08:52 | Link #258 |
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We know that when she says "Kanon is death" that she means the Kanon in the Game Field and not in some other world.
but whe dont know if she really means our Kanon or someone else who had the title Kanon. and as I already said befoe, he could be death because is isnt funitre anymore but a human. |
2009-12-14, 17:54 | Link #260 |
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Kanon is a work-name. Beato uses word games. You should be aware of it by now.
Why not use it on Kanon, which is not even a real name? I'm not saying Kanon is dead is another person in another world. It might be an unknown worker (most likely a servant) who is actually named Kanon. You can't deny the possibility of an actual person named Kanon once existed on the island that we're not aware of. As silly as it may sound, this might as well be the case. There might be other ways to justify Kanon is dead. But my point is not justifying red. Because our knowledge of what the actual red could have been is limited. What I'm trying to argue here is, "Kanon is dead" is most likely a dirty word-play Eva-Beato uses to trick Battler - nothing else. |
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