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Xagzan · 2012-10-11, 20:28

Haha, gaffe burned! Got to admit that was funny.

Vexx · 2012-10-11, 20:30

Ryan missed a chance --- when he said "we're going the wrong way" when things are getting better since 2008 and he admitted things were terrible in 2008.

Ryan should have said, "Things could be getting better faster." He's obviously very nervous sitting right next to Biden.

Nice snag with the Biden foot-in-mouth comparison.

Argh, the stimulus process was ALREADY in progress when Obama took office. He took advice from the same people who told Bush they had to do the stimulus. We can blame both parties for the greatest theft in America.

Netto Azure · 2012-10-11, 20:35

Biden Just Made Ryan Admit He Asked for & Received Millions in Stimulus Funds. I can't believe how good Biden is. XD

"I keep hearing this stuff about Death Panels from Sarah Palin, It seems every VP debate I get this" XDDDD

Vexx · 2012-10-11, 20:38

Also that Ryan and his mom wouldn't have made it as a teenager without Social Security death benefits.

james0246 · 2012-10-11, 20:47

Biden should really calm down. His emphatic nature is getting a little too much. There is still 45 minutes to go...

Vexx · 2012-10-11, 20:48

True... otoh... I see Ryan has pulled the "hurts small business" canard. Small businesses in my state have largely figured out the GOP's plans are anti-small business and pro-large corp.

And I see Radditz is going after Ryan's "blank paper" plan. And Biden sweeps in for the kill.

KiraYamatoFan · 2012-10-11, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Vexx

True... otoh... I see Ryan has pulled the "hurts small business" canard. Small businesses in my state have largely figured out the GOP's plans are anti-small business and pro-large corp.

The good thing about living in Canada is that we can see the same parallel between Republicans and Canadian Conservatives in various policies. Both are doing mostly the same against small businesses.

Netto Azure · 2012-10-11, 20:54

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Originally Posted by james0246

Biden should really calm down. His emphatic nature is getting a little too much. There is still 45 minutes to go...

I know he should calm down. But how else do you fight the crap that's being spewed? :P

Xagzan · 2012-10-11, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Netto Azure

I know he should calm down. But how else do you fight the crap that's being spewed? :P

I do wish he'd calm down a little so as not to risk coming off like a rude bully to underinformed voters. But it's understandable that he'd overcompensate for Obama's performance.

willx · 2012-10-11, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Argh, the stimulus process was ALREADY in progress when Obama took office. He took advice from the same people who told Bush they had to do the stimulus. We can blame both parties for the greatest theft in America.

^ Now now, political debates aside, don't blame the poor stimulus!

Netto Azure · 2012-10-11, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Xagzan

I do wish he'd calm down a little so as not to risk coming off like a rude bully to underinformed voters. But it's understandable that he'd overcompensate for Obama's performance.

To quote Glenn Greenwald:

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The converse of those who think Biden is too aggressive: Ryan seems extremely passive, overwhelmed, intimidated, and weak. Voters hate that

But yeah, I agree he's kinda overcompensating for last weeks "debate style" problems.

Vexx · 2012-10-11, 21:02

I'm ... having trouble following Ryan. His sentences aren't connecting any more. Ryan's world view is colliding with facts?

james0246 · 2012-10-11, 21:03

Radditz needs to control Biden more, if for no other reason than she and the debate will be accused of bipartisanship in favour of Biden (which will happen anyway, considering Ryan's Obamaesque performance, but Biden doesn't need to fuel the fire).

Urzu 7 · 2012-10-11, 21:06

I can see it now, people being like: "Oh, Obama was too passive, Romney won the debate because he was bold and aggressive" and then "Wtf? Biden is a jerk! He was too bold and too aggressive!".

Vexx · 2012-10-11, 21:07

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Originally Posted by james0246

Radditz needs to control Biden more, if for no other reason than she and the debate will be accused of bipartisanship in favour of Biden (which will happen anyway, considering Ryan's Obamaesque performence, but Biden doesn't need to fuel the fire).

Yeah, Biden kind of pounded on Radditz for pulling "Some people in the military were against the surge timeline" when the JCoS created the timeline.

Ryan did a little better there with the fighting season but Ryan is telling me that he's really got no experience in military affairs at all. And... Biden just skewered him, ouch.

KiraYamatoFan · 2012-10-11, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Urzu 7

I can see it now, people being like: "Oh, Obama was too passive, Romney won the debate because he was bold and aggressive" and then "Wtf? Biden is a jerk! He was too bold and too aggressive!".

Some media will surely come out with the double standard for sure. Still, no one can't say it wasn't expected when Romney drew first blood.

I must say Biden just gave me good answers about why not entering in Syria yet. I really didn't take into account a number of elements when doing comparisons with Lybia.

Xagzan · 2012-10-11, 21:15

Oh dear god, no, why?

Urzu 7 · 2012-10-11, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Xagzan

Oh dear god, no, why?

What are you referring to?

KiraYamatoFan · 2012-10-11, 21:17

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Oh dear god, no, why?

On what subject? Abortion?

Xagzan · 2012-10-11, 21:18

It was just the way the question was worded. "Explain the importance of your faith in your policies," or something like that. But I guess it was a springboard to the abortion issue - though I'm not crazy about that being such a prominent one either.

2012-10-11, 20:30	Link #1242
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Ryan missed a chance --- when he said "we're going the wrong way" when things are getting better since 2008 and he admitted things were terrible in 2008. Ryan should have said, "Things could be getting better faster." He's obviously very nervous sitting right next to Biden. Nice snag with the Biden foot-in-mouth comparison. Argh, the stimulus process was ALREADY in progress when Obama took office. He took advice from the same people who told Bush they had to do the stimulus. We can blame both parties for the greatest theft in America. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-10-11, 20:35	Link #1243
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2012-10-11, 20:38	Link #1244
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Also that Ryan and his mom wouldn't have made it as a teenager without Social Security death benefits. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-10-11, 20:48	Link #1246
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	True... otoh... I see Ryan has pulled the "hurts small business" canard. Small businesses in my state have largely figured out the GOP's plans are anti-small business and pro-large corp. And I see Radditz is going after Ryan's "blank paper" plan. And Biden sweeps in for the kill. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-10-11, 21:02	Link #1252
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	I'm ... having trouble following Ryan. His sentences aren't connecting any more. Ryan's world view is colliding with facts? __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-10-11, 20:28	Link #1241
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Haha, gaffe burned! Got to admit that was funny.

2012-10-11, 20:47	Link #1245
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	Biden should really calm down. His emphatic nature is getting a little too much. There is still 45 minutes to go...

2012-10-11, 21:03	Link #1253
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	Radditz needs to control Biden more, if for no other reason than she and the debate will be accused of bipartisanship in favour of Biden (which will happen anyway, considering Ryan's Obamaesque performance, but Biden doesn't need to fuel the fire).

2012-10-11, 21:06	Link #1254
Urzu 7 Juanita/Kiteless Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New England Age: 40	I can see it now, people being like: "Oh, Obama was too passive, Romney won the debate because he was bold and aggressive" and then "Wtf? Biden is a jerk! He was too bold and too aggressive!". __________________

2012-10-11, 21:15	Link #1257
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Oh dear god, no, why?

2012-10-11, 21:18	Link #1260
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	It was just the way the question was worded. "Explain the importance of your faith in your policies," or something like that. But I guess it was a springboard to the abortion issue - though I'm not crazy about that being such a prominent one either.