Byakugan, Sharingan & Rinnengan

[SuigetsuKun]

Originally Posted by Killer Bee

Its possible, but I don't see how seeing the black fire or susanoo coming is going to help a byakugan user. Kidomaru didn't even have a sharingan and was able to take advantage of Neji's byakugan. All the analyzing of Kidomaru's chakra didn't help Neji. He had to use a self sacrificing maneuver to win. Neji admitted that Kidomaru was faster and more powerful than himself. So imagine how much more powerful Itachi or Sasuke would be with MS jutsu.

Still, I like your theory.

And thanks for the spoiler! Does that really happen? I've never known Madara or Sasuke to give compliments like that. Obviously you have access to future happenings. I'd like to know more if if you are able and willing to share.

Thanks

Well, that Kidomaru was a long range fighter. I don't think Sasuke is a long range fighter, neither is Itachi. This makes it a totally different situation. Deidara for example was a long range fighter aswell. This just makes the situation difficult if the close range fighter can not reach the long range fighter.

Concerning the spoilers, well...

Spoiler for yet another spoiler:

Kakashi: Naruto, you're quite impressive. I never stood a chance against Pain, you're the only one who can fight him. I think I finally understand how a genius like myself can't surpass you.

[Josh Uzumaki]

Originally Posted by SuigetsuKun

I am not sure about that! A Byakugan user can perfectly manage his own chakra flow, so he might not be affected by even Mangekyou Sharingan genjutsu. In addition, we don't know how Sharingan affects other doujutsu and we know that a Sharingan user is weak when using the MS abilities. A Byakugan might see a disturbance in the chakra flow (high chakra concentration in the eye/eyes)... and react - and Jyuuken might be lethal for a weakened Uchiha then.

Spoiler for upcoming lines from future naruto:

Sasuke: Amazing. How do you do it Naruto? You've always been like this, ever since the day I first met you, always ready to meet the next challenge, even if it's bigger than you are.

Madara: So, we meet at last. We have been expecting you, Naruto. We were beginning to think you wouldn't show. Hopefully, now things will get more interesting around here.

Madara: How can this be happening? I am a super-elite... the strongest of all Uchiha and he is just a low-level, a common ninja without a bloodline limit. I am one of the greatest fighters of all times!

Sasuke: It was the same back then. You have improved so much that it would make Lee like you were standing still. Your power had increase so dramatically since our battle with Gaara that I thought you have done it. I thought... that you have become the strongest. It tore me apart. How could a low-class soldier accomplish so easily what I... I had struggle my whole life to achive?

Madara: After nearly 100 years, it is finally happened; A new Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan user has emerged, and somehow, I have become this popish witness.

Sasuke: Then at last it happened. I too transformed. After living every moment of every day for the single purpose of surpassing you, I finally became strong myself. The prince has reclaimed his throne and fulfilled his destiny. But no matter how strong I became, your power still exceeded mine. At first I thought it was your loved ones, than it was your instinct to protect them that spired you on, and pushed you beyond your limits. But then I found myself with a family of my own, and my power... didn't increase at all. I used to fight for revenge, for the sake of my clan, all I had the strength unmetered, I spared no one. And yet you showed mercy to every one, even your fiercest enemies, even me... Yet you never thought to kill, nor for revenge. Only to test your limits, and to push us beyond them, to become the strongest you could possibly be. How can a ninja fight like that, and at the same time be so gentle that he wouldn't hurt a fly? It makes me angry just thinking about it. But perhaps it is my anger that has made me blind to the truth for so long. I see it now. this day has made it all too clear. Your better than me, Naruto. You are the Best...

this isnt dragon ball z
sasuke is not vageta!

[Xemn]

I would say Byakugan. No one said you have to use Taijutsu. If I had Byakugan I would be able to test my theory if Byakugan is applicable with weapons ( Aka Hitting Other's Chakara Points, which is most likely a yes, at least, I think so ). Byakugan would just be an advantage for me, not my main use, but more of a support type of ability.

You get what Im saying? Plus, about people getting freaked out when they see your eyes, just wear sunglasses x]

[holypanl]

OMG...this topic has 100 pages...

0.o

Whoa...

It's the epic battle of Sharingan vs Neji Fangirls. That's how I see it. There's no other way a person could see the Sharingan, which, at its base level, without Mangekyou, can do illusions, produce binding threads, analyse and copy chakra flow and techniques, and give advanced acute awareness of an opponents future moves, and then say the Byakugan which can only analyse Chakra flow, and add in some chakra nodes as complimentary recompense, and then tell me:

"You know, Byakugan IS better."

You'd have to be retarded.

Then, the insanity increases, and multiplies when the Mangekyou is introduced:

Illusions so powerful they cause SEVERE mental damage, and could cause brain failure...all in less than ONE SECOND. No risk of getting attacked while using it.

Black flames that could consume anything.

Spoiler for manga:

A huge, warrior god thing that's pretty much impenetrable. And can be both used for offense and defense.

After seeing all this: let's point it out in most obvious manner possible:

If a shringan user, and a Byakugan user were to stand across from each other, and NOT attack one another physically, but just try to best the other with his EYES alone: Who would win?

Now, the Byakugan/Neji fangirls will say: "Well, the Byakugan is a supplimentary plus for use with Shit Palms fighting style, stupid." (This fact alone proves that the sharingan is superior, since the Sharingan is a complete technique in itself...)

So: okay: Let's give pretty boy Neji a chance:

The two sides stand across from each other, and, using only their eyes, and their FISTS, and no ninjutsu, and ONLY their raw TAIJUTSU and DOUJUTSU, are given time to stand across from one another for 1 minute. After this, they are given only ONE chance to attack.

ONE attack. Who's going to win? Don't talk crap about "Hiashi/Neji (Standard first person in mind when Byakugan is mentioned) will attack Sasuke/Madara in their heart and shut down their chakra system"

Cos the Sharingan ill allow the user to percieve the obvious Shit Fist attack since it's a conformed fighting style, and has stances and poses for attack. So:

Naji rushes in.
Madara: *Dodge*
Marara: Amaterasu!!

BYAKUGAN LOSES. END OF STORY. GOD.

100 PAGES??????

What is wrong with FAN GRLS?? They're so annoying. They are the reason why someone like Toushiro was Paired against Halibel...when Toushiro is SO WEAK!!! Halibel should own him in two seconds flat. But no. Kubo, motivated by his fangirls, will make Toushiro win.

COWDUNG.

[That Other Ninja]

The thread is for fun. There is no "end of story" just because the evidence seems clear-cut and dry. People want to talk about it as is evidenced by the 100 pages, and complaining about Neji fangirls as opposed to all the Sasuke fanatics out there is a bit moot.

What people like myself want to know is whether or not Byakugan has more to offer than what we've observed from the manga. If so, then maybe the comparison can be on a more even playing field but so far we know that Mangekyou Sharingan is pretty powerful--probably only overshadowed by...

Spoiler:

Rinnegan.

I think Byakugan has some more tricks up its sleeves.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Josh Uzumaki

this isnt dragon ball z
sasuke is not vageta!

No, he's whinier.....
But that was still funny as Hell!

[Xemn]

Originally Posted by holypanl

OMG...this topic has 100 pages...

0.o

Whoa...

It's the epic battle of Sharingan vs Neji Fangirls. That's how I see it. There's no other way a person could see the Sharingan, which, at its base level, without Mangekyou, can do illusions, produce binding threads, analyse and copy chakra flow and techniques, and give advanced acute awareness of an opponents future moves, and then say the Byakugan which can only analyse Chakra flow, and add in some chakra nodes as complimentary recompense, and then tell me:

"You know, Byakugan IS better."

You'd have to be retarded.

Then, the insanity increases, and multiplies when the Mangekyou is introduced:

Illusions so powerful they cause SEVERE mental damage, and could cause brain failure...all in less than ONE SECOND. No risk of getting attacked while using it.

Black flames that could consume anything.

Spoiler for manga:

A huge, warrior god thing that's pretty much impenetrable. And can be both used for offense and defense.

After seeing all this: let's point it out in most obvious manner possible:

If a shringan user, and a Byakugan user were to stand across from each other, and NOT attack one another physically, but just try to best the other with his EYES alone: Who would win?

Now, the Byakugan/Neji fangirls will say: "Well, the Byakugan is a supplimentary plus for use with Shit Palms fighting style, stupid." (This fact alone proves that the sharingan is superior, since the Sharingan is a complete technique in itself...)

So: okay: Let's give pretty boy Neji a chance:

The two sides stand across from each other, and, using only their eyes, and their FISTS, and no ninjutsu, and ONLY their raw TAIJUTSU and DOUJUTSU, are given time to stand across from one another for 1 minute. After this, they are given only ONE chance to attack.

ONE attack. Who's going to win? Don't talk crap about "Hiashi/Neji (Standard first person in mind when Byakugan is mentioned) will attack Sasuke/Madara in their heart and shut down their chakra system"

Cos the Sharingan ill allow the user to percieve the obvious Shit Fist attack since it's a conformed fighting style, and has stances and poses for attack. So:

Naji rushes in.
Madara: *Dodge*
Marara: Amaterasu!!

BYAKUGAN LOSES. END OF STORY. GOD.

100 PAGES??????

What is wrong with FAN GRLS?? They're so annoying. They are the reason why someone like Toushiro was Paired against Halibel...when Toushiro is SO WEAK!!! Halibel should own him in two seconds flat. But no. Kubo, motivated by his fangirls, will make Toushiro win.

COWDUNG.

First of all... I am not a fan of Neji, and I am not a girl either x]

Also, it depends on how you look at it. Sharigan is not much of a support kekki genkai. For me, I love using support kekki genkais, to make on powerful main attack, that is repeatable and easy to use. Sharigan has its limits, but since Byukugan is a support kekki genkai, it cannot really limit you :P

Now, you probably are gonna say " Sharigan can just copy your attack... "
Well, it can't copy everything. If you can base your jutsus on weapons, they won't have weapons to use to do the jutsus.

Example:
Black Flaming Sword Jutsu!
The sword you use turns on fire, if the sharigan user does not have a sword, they cannot use it.

But then, a sword is a common weapon. So make it more unique, and you won't just find it anywhere (Example Kisames Sword).

* waits for responses. *

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Xemn

First of all... I am not a fan of Neji, and I am not a girl either x]

Also, it depends on how you look at it. Sharigan is not much of a support kekki genkai. For me, I love using support kekki genkais, to make on powerful main attack, that is repeatable and easy to use. Sharigan has its limits, but since Byukugan is a support kekki genkai, it cannot really limit you :P

Now, you probably are gonna say " Sharigan can just copy your attack... "
Well, it can't copy everything. If you can base your jutsus on weapons, they won't have weapons to use to do the jutsus.

Example:
Black Flaming Sword Jutsu!
The sword you use turns on fire, if the sharigan user does not have a sword, they cannot use it.

But then, a sword is a common weapon. So make it more unique, and you won't just find it anywhere (Example Kisames Sword).

* waits for responses. *

What? That sword comment is bullocks! The sharingan is overpowered and you know it.
The only reason I prefer byakugan is because it isn't an overpowered technique hat would make the whole world hate me simply for having it.
However, there is one fact people (Kishimoto included) seem to be miossing. All Jutsu(With the exceptionof most taijutsu) are caused by a flow of chakra. What is the Byakugan'smost infamopus talent? The ability to sense chakra flow. Is it just me, or would the byakugan potentially be able to replicate techniques? If one could master this chakra reading, and be able to see hand seals as they are done lightning-quick, wouldn't the byakugan be just as good as the sharingan?(for copying, at least)


Remember the whole thing about the two tecniques being related? Perhaps the Sharingan is a better version of the Byakugan? Like the way Mangekyo is to regular sharingan....

[holypanl]

Originally Posted by Xemn

First of all... I am not a fan of Neji, and I am not a girl either x]

Also, it depends on how you look at it. Sharigan is not much of a support kekki genkai. For me, I love using support kekki genkais, to make on powerful main attack, that is repeatable and easy to use. Sharigan has its limits, but since Byukugan is a support kekki genkai, it cannot really limit you :P

Now, you probably are gonna say " Sharigan can just copy your attack... "
Well, it can't copy everything. If you can base your jutsus on weapons, they won't have weapons to use to do the jutsus.

Example:
Black Flaming Sword Jutsu!
The sword you use turns on fire, if the sharigan user does not have a sword, they cannot use it.

But then, a sword is a common weapon. So make it more unique, and you won't just find it anywhere (Example Kisames Sword).

* waits for responses. *

Wait no more!!

Okay I'll tell you which argument made your WHOLE flow of logic break down and look dumb:

"...to make on powerful main attack, that is repeatable and easy to use. Sharigan has its limits, but since Byukugan is a support kekki genkai, it cannot really limit you :P"

Byakugan has its limits, too. Note that Byakugan uses accelerated chakra flow in order to operate. That's why there are all the veins. So, like the Sharingan, it taxes on Chakra.

When you're talking about 'limits', it's painfully obvious that if you don't use the MAngekyou, and just use the Sharingan at its first stage, ou'd have about the same amount of chakra-time as the average Byakugan-man. And you'll get a lot more out of it too.

You CAN use the Sharingan as a backup technique. Just look at how Sasuke used to use in the earlier team 7 days. Also, check up how he used it against NAruto in the first fight when they fought at the Valley of the End.

Originally Posted by OtseisRagnarok

What? That sword comment is bullocks! The sharingan is overpowered and you know it.
The only reason I prefer byakugan is because it isn't an overpowered technique hat would make the whole world hate me simply for having it.
However, there is one fact people (Kishimoto included) seem to be miossing. All Jutsu(With the exceptionof most taijutsu) are caused by a flow of chakra. What is the Byakugan'smost infamopus talent? The ability to sense chakra flow. Is it just me, or would the byakugan potentially be able to replicate techniques? If one could master this chakra reading, and be able to see hand seals as they are done lightning-quick, wouldn't the byakugan be just as good as the sharingan?(for copying, at least)


Remember the whole thing about the two tecniques being related? Perhaps the Sharingan is a better version of the Byakugan? Like the way Mangekyo is to regular sharingan....

Whoa whoa...I heard you the first time!

Spoiler for manga:

Yup. That makes sense actually. It would be nice to see in the manga cannon, too. If Neji pops up during the Pein invasion and pulls a Kakashi on Pein. (I'm referring to how Kakashi spooked Zabuza out during the Zabuza arc)

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by holypanl

Yup. That makes sense actually. It would be nice to see in the manga cannon, too. If Neji pops up during the Pein invasion and pulls a Kakashi on Pein. (I'm referring to how Kakashi spooked Zabuza out during the Zabuza arc)

As awesome as that would be, there's a slight problem: The byakugan can't hypnotize people. Kakashi abused the Sharingan's "Hypnotic Eye" to spook Zabuza. The byakugan has no such talent attributed to it, so Neji would have to be either A). really, really good at memorizng hand-seals, or B). use the same technique much later to freak him out a bit....
But unfortunately, mist Hyuuga practice gentle fist only, and ignore most other forms of ninjutsu.

[Killer Bee]

The Sharigan wins.

Its can copy taijutsu and ninjutsu.

It can predict moves.

It can be trained to a different level(MS).

Spoiler for manga:

And most of all, Itachi showed that an MS user can bestow his own power to another when he did just that with both Sasuke and Naruto.

Not to mention the EMS, which we know nothing about.

[Josh Uzumaki]

Spoiler for manga:

the EMS just means that you can go blind from over use of sharigan,so you can use it all the time...

imagine a Mangekyo Byukugan,somehow. i bet Byukugan has some dirty secerets. i think the sharigan is only so good because the ucihas were warriors and constantly pushed into battle so it started evolving

[Killer Bee]

Originally Posted by Josh Uzumaki

Spoiler for manga:

the EMS just means that you can go blind from over use of sharigan,so you can use it all the time...

imagine a Mangekyo Byukugan,somehow. i bet Byukugan has some dirty secerets. i think the sharigan is only so good because the ucihas were warriors and constantly pushed into battle so it started evolving

Spoiler for manga:

Well, according to Itachi a new jutsu was born from the EMS. One which we know nothing about, but we know it isn't confined to the limits of the MS.

And while there might be dirty secrets of the byakugan, we haven't seen any or heard about any. And personally I think Susanoo is the best MS technique, not Amaterasu. Susanoo takes both eyes while amaterasu only needs energy from the right. Susuanoo is extremely powerful both offensively and defensively and is used as an ace.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Josh Uzumaki

Spoiler for manga:

the EMS just means that you can go blind from over use of sharigan,so you can use it all the time...

imagine a Mangekyo Byukugan,somehow. i bet Byukugan has some dirty secerets. i think the sharigan is only so good because the ucihas were warriors and constantly pushed into battle so it started evolving

I still stand by my theory that the Sharingan is derived from the Byakugan. After centuries of battle, the technique simply evolved, and that would make Sharingan the equivalent to your theorized "Mangekyo Byakugan."
And before anyonbe points this out, who says that someone can't be born with Mangekyo? If your parent has it, why not? There is no precedent saying you can't.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by OtseisRagnarok

I still stand by my theory that the Sharingan is derived from the Byakugan. After centuries of battle, the technique simply evolved, and that would make Sharingan the equivalent to your theorized "Mangekyo Byakugan."
And before anyonbe points this out, who says that someone can't be born with Mangekyo? If your parent has it, why not? There is no precedent saying you can't.

Sharingan is supposedly a genetic off-shoot of Byakugan, as stated by Kakashi during the chuunin exam.

[aliasxn]

Sharingan, and it's not even close.

Besides, everybody in this damn manga already seems to have a 1km 360° vision, so not only did Kishimoto make sharingan stupidly strong, but he also also made byakugan kinda pointless.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by aliasxn

Besides, everybody in this damn manga already seems to have a 1km 360° vision, so not only did Kishimoto make sharingan stupidly strong, but he also also made byakugan kinda pointless.

Not really.

[Genius-kun]

I voted sharingan, cause you can upgrade it to mangyeko which gives u access to some cool moves. Also I reckon sharingan looks way better than byakugan.

[Josh Uzumaki]

i like byakugan more, the hyuga clan may have social family flaws. butthey seem like nice eople than uchiha

[whittyman66]

come on byukugan does not even have 360 degree vision, there is a blind spot if anyone remembers. and the byukugan cannot see through genjutsu, they are masters of taijutsu, the sharingan is the master of genjutsu. plus the sharingan looks way cooler.