Ore no Imouto - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[DragoZERO]

I wonder if this is meant to be a base for future episodes. We need another antagonistic element for Kirino, we've gone through everything else already.

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by DJLowrider

Great episode. 9/10 for me. It kept me laughing and smiling throughout. Though I am now a bit nervous about what may happen when Manami cashes in on that invite over to Kyousuke's house. Kirino's definitely not pleased about her brother's romantic prospects, though clearly what that says about her own feelings about him is open to interpretation.

As I said, what Kirino felt at Kyousuke's absence was a selfish emotion - but at least it reflected a displeasure that Kyou was not there. What Kirino lacks at this point is any recognition of the feelings of others - she's completely driven by self-interest. It's not entirely her fault - she's pretty, already financially successful, academically and physically gifted and clearly treated as am elite class in her own house. It's perfectly natural in a way, though her personality seems a little too well-suited to it.

That's why I think Kyousuke isn't doing her any favors by continually doing her bidding. He will at least stand up to her verbally to some extent, but what really needs to happen is for someone - he seems the most likely candidate but maybe Saori, who knows - to make it clear to her that the way she treats others is unacceptable. The most obvious incentive would be to deny her what she wants until she changes her tone, but Kyousuke hasn't proved willing to do that - he's pretty much taken a grenade for her twice without asking any concessions from her. That's not helping Kirino - it's just reinforcing her unacceptable behavior.

[typhonsentra]

I took the last convo they had before bed as him essentially telling her, "Don't confess and ruin our friendship".

[Bonta Kun]

I liked this ep quite abit, sure it's a odd break from the general feel of the show so far but then I'm fine with that.

The start of the ep was interesting to me, was kinda refreshing to see Kyou and his freind converse so normally even tho the subject was a little odd.
But I liked how his friend summed up Kyou and Manami's relationship, was sweet how selfish Kyou is towards Manami in that regard
And it shows from before as he doesn't like when others talk bad about her but only he can.

The Tamura household is a riot, it's great how well Kyou interacts with them.
The grandparents were a hoot, the old geezer's antics were great. His flying dive up the stairs was something else

I loved the bathroom joking and how Manami shouts for her grandma about it, that was awesome
Satou Satomi is simply great with her cute little devilish giggle

and gotta love Kirino missing her Onii-chan

[DragoonKain3]

Originally Posted by Divine witch

If you ask me Kyousuke and Manami are indeed perfect combination themselves, I just don't get the part when he is saying that he would reject a girl >.<

Poor Manami....

Look at the big picture, fellow shippers. The big picture!

-Beginning of the episode, Kyou doesn't want Manami to have a boyfriend, presumably because he doesn't want things to change between them

-Same part, his friend already mentions that Kyou already SEEMS like he's going out with Manami (Kirino makes such a remark in an early episode as well IIRC)

-There was talk when they trying to sleep of Kyou wondering if things will change if they go to the same university. They agreed that things will remain the same

-If Manami is a Grandma, then Kyou is a Grandpa, as said by the characters themseleves

-And now you have Kyou turning down those who confesses to him because he is satisfied with the life he lives right now

Put two and two together. Kyou doesn't want things between him and Manami to change, true. Thing is, people here assume that Kyou and Manami are 'just friends' right now, when it's more like Kyou and Manami are a couple right now in all but name. It's so obvious to the people around them, including Kyou's friends, Manami's family, and even Kirino, that they think they are a couple already. And Kyou does NOT want this kind of relationship with Manami to change.

(And that's not even mentioning that Kyou is very defensive about Manami, to the point that he doesn't like anyone, not even his sister, badmouthing her... but I digress)

So really, Kyou is showing signs, not of 'I want to be with you' kind of love, but the 'I can't live without you' kind of love. Which btw, is the more common type when you're talking about romance with childhood friends. Thing is, this kind of love and not being conscious of it till later on the story goes hand in hand, and that's why you have Kyou denying it isn't like that when his actions says otherwise.


See. the way I understand of Kyou's character, is that he just wants to live a 'normal' life. And what better way to do that than to marry a 'normal' girl? That's why I really do think he isn't and will not be romantically interested in girls who are basically supermodels (Ayase), nor would he be interested in otaku girls (Saori and Kuroneko). Which of course extends that he isn't romantically interested in his sister, because really, it does not fit his character as someone who just wants normalcy.

So yeah, I'm 'all in'. It's Manami or bust. Have confidence fellow shippers! (Not that we'll see a conclusion with this anime, but just saying how confident I am with the series going in this direction in the end)

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Look at the big picture, fellow shippers. The big picture!

I was already wondering what took you so long, DK3

See. the way I understand of Kyou's character, is that he just wants to live a 'normal' life. And what better way to do that than to marry a 'normal' girl? That's why I really do think he isn't and will not be romantically interested in girls who are basically supermodels (Ayase), nor would he be interested in otaku girls (Saori and Kuroneko). Which of course extends that he isn't romantically interested in his sister, because really, it does not fit his character as someone who just wants normalcy.

Well...

I'm curious how far the anime will get. In a way, I'm frustrated that we only get 1 season for now...

[Dop]

I really enjoyed this episode, it was a nice change of pace. Looks like Manami's family are really trying to fit her and Kyou up!

[Xacual]

I just have to echo Mentar in that I really didn't see romantic inclinations in Kyousuke. She is his best friend and he cares about her but I get more of his feelings of not wanting to see her with a boyfriend or anything has to do with the fact that right now she is his sort of rock in the middle of the river. He has to do lots of stuff with Kirino and his sort of distant family life that he wants to be able to just relax once in a while and Manami represents that for him.

Also you don't have to be interested in a girl to be embarrassed at seeing up her skirt.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Qikz

Stay off damnit, stay back you damn lolicon. She's mine! *pokes with chair*

You seem to follow me around more than I'd like *stares~~~~*

You go away! Why can't you let me take my girls home in peace!

Honestly speaking, I was actually wondering why Kirino is behaving like a jealous younger sister when Kyousuke isn't at home, kicking his chair, door, and cursing him before she sleeps. That is certainly taking her brocon to a new level.

[Guardian Enzo]

I don't think Kyou-chan has fallen in love with anyone yet. That doesn't mean he won't, though - and if he were going to feel that kind of love for Manami, he probably would have already. That's the ultimate conondrum of the osananajimi - they're always the fallback, the safe bet, the second choice. With rare exceptions like DN Angel, where the hero eventually figures out he was in love with her all along (there was a twin complication there) it usually doesn't work out that way because sooner or later, the guy does fall hard for someone else.

I think Manami has a chance. What I think Kyou feels for her is genuine platonic affection, a growing (though not especially personal) appreciation that his BFF is actually a girl, and a sense of both posessiveness and protectiveness. Relationships have grown from less than that, but so far it can't be called a real romance.

[Bombo]

Manami Manami Manami all hail Manami chan.,!!
I really loved her after this episode ..Kyou&Manami supporter now.!!!!
Her family awesome THEY ALL AWESOMES.!!!
Grandpa you are the best.!
scene parts funny for me :
"Married scene from grandpa"
"Bath scene jokes manami&kyou and cheering from crazy brother "
"Grandpa plan for their sleeping "
OMG I REALLY LOVE IT,!!!
they really understand each other <3
SOOO CUUUUTE.!!

[Zeroryoko1974]

Loved everything about Ep 6. Only thing missing was Kirino's whacky otaku friends

[Clarste]

I think Kirino's annoyance could be easily explained if she actually has something specific she wants to talk to him about (more counseling?). In that sense it would be more impatience than jealousy, which I think makes more sense at this point in the story.

[Soconfused]

Great episode, though Kirino getting jealous because her brother is gone for a day is kind of weird. I dunno, maybe she wanted to play games with him that day or something, or show him her pillow?

[Spartanz1170]

Man Grandpa is such a bro.... and dat Dakimura

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Mentar

I've got to admit that I'm amazed how many people obviously prefer this tension-less crisis-less happy fluff over the drama of the default settings

I mean, I'd have thought that whoever managed to reach ep6 would have a certain resilience for the nerves which the usual Kirino-centric drama requires. But the Manami episode was Clannad at its cutest. A warm water bath... but also, about as exciting....

To me, the default settings are no deeper, emotionally, than the not-quite-happy not-at-all-fluff of this episode. There is tension and confusion here, going from Manami's bath suggestion to the vague suggestions of the final conversation in bed. And Manami is definitely a more positive character than Nagisa, even though they may share a lot (right down to their families running a store selling food).

The conflicts at Kyousuke's house are intense, but we don't actually get a feeling of the affection between people, as we do here. Kirino's kicks were hilarious, but they were just a symbol of her feeling, rather than actually conveying what it is like. To me, this episode was at least as deep as the rest: it quietly delved down into people, rather than raucously charging around at the surface, as much of the rest has done, for me.

But really, I think it may come down to which kind of girl each of us wants to see, or can identify with. And also, I do watch anime for romance and emotions, not really for plot, so when I get some real feelings, I love it. And I got them here. Even Kyousuke had feelings, although they were warm rather than passionate. But that appears to be him, doesn't it?

The one part of this episode I didn't enjoy that much was the grandfather, at least at first. But the final bit in front of the bedroom was funny and strong.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

To me, the default settings are no deeper, emotionally, than the not-quite-happy not-at-all-fluff of this episode. There is tension and confusion here, going from Manami's bath suggestion to the vague suggestions of the final conversation in bed. And Manami is definitely a more positive character than Nagisa, even though they may share a lot (right down to their families running a store selling food).

I don't think I can agree with that, simply because there were no "tension and confusion" worth mentioning. Kyousuke's playful retort to the bath suggestion was the only scene I found really funny and interesting. The rest was a display of people who are at ease with each other WITHOUT tension and WITHOUT confusion, instead with a warm caring blind-understanding undertone. Which in itself isn't necessarily bad - the contrast was intended.

The conflicts at Kyousuke's house are intense, but we don't actually get a feeling of the affection between people, as we do here. Kirino's kicks were hilarious, but they were just a symbol of her feeling, rather than actually conveying what it is like. To me, this episode was at least as deep as the rest: it quietly delved down into people, rather than raucously charging around at the surface, as much of the rest has done, for me.

You can take the people at this household at face value. I didn't see anything which would require major contemplation to figure out. The Kirino household is very masked in comparison.

But really, I think it may come down to which kind of girl each of us wants to see, or can identify with. And also, I do watch anime for romance and emotions, not really for plot, so when I get some real feelings, I love it. And I got them here.

I think this is the part where we have to agree to disagree. You didn't sigh inwardly when Kyousuke took the "must not date anyone else, but we're not dating" stance? Or when Manami was eagerly asking what they should do, and Kyousuke answered "Sleep"? Or when Manami was so obviously fishing for a reaction with the "nervous under a girl's roof" comment, and Kyousuke coldly answered "why should I be nervous here"?

I'll be honest: I don't like the Manami cute-gentle-meganekko-moeblob template in general. But the person who really annoyed me this ep was Kyousuke. He was being either completely oblivious-stupid to Manami's openers (I don't think so), or he's really feeling nothing more than a convenient friend providing a peaceful environment for him, and he's keeping her at double arm's length since he doesn't want to commit.

In other words, what really annoyed me was Kyousuke's complete LACK of feelings. He's merely going along for the ride, since he always has, and he's comfortable for it. But he totally does NOT properly value Manami at the moment, and Manami is selling her marbles for way below what they're worth.

If you seriously felt any inkling of genuine romantic feelings, we have very different life experiences.

[Clarste]

I didn't feel any inkling of romance, but I did feel love which is a different thing.

[yangxu]

Originally Posted by Mentar

I think this is the part where we have to agree to disagree. You didn't sigh inwardly when Kyousuke took the "must not date anyone else, but we're not dating" stance? Or when Manami was eagerly asking what they should do, and Kyousuke answered "Sleep"? Or when Manami was so obviously fishing for a reaction with the "nervous under a girl's roof" comment, and Kyousuke coldly answered "why should I be nervous here"?

I'll be honest: I don't like the Manami cute-gentle-meganekko-moeblob template in general. But the person who really annoyed me this ep was Kyousuke. He was being either completely oblivious-stupid to Manami's openers (I don't think so), or he's really feeling nothing more than a convenient friend providing a peaceful environment for him, and he's keeping her at double arm's length since he doesn't want to commit.

In other words, what really annoyed me was Kyousuke's complete LACK of feelings. He's merely going along for the ride, since he always has, and he's comfortable for it. But he totally does NOT properly value Manami at the moment, and Manami is selling her marbles for way below what they're worth.

If you seriously felt any inkling of genuine romantic feelings, we have very different life experiences.

I don't think Kyou's reaction is by any means, "lack of feelings". They know each other so well that he doesn't have to stutter and be surprised or go into a deep thinking process to come up with some flirty or ingenious answers to keep Manami's conversation going.

Kyou is in some way similar to his dad. Both of them don't talk much. However, not speaking =/= not interested, or not caring. He's more like the silent type: when the time comes, he will take the necessary actions to get it under control. If some guy ends up dating Manami, I'm sure Kyou will not only interfere but will also confess his feeling to her.

[Guardian Enzo]

Kyousuke is under no obligation to feel anything he doesn't genuinely feel. Is it wrong to continue to be Manami's friend if he's not in love with her, just because he finds it pleasant to spend time with her and her family? It's not as though she's openly confessed to him or anything. If she were to come right out and tell him "I'm in love with you and I can't do the "friend" thing anymore - I need a decision!" that would be one thing. But she hasn't, and I have no problem whatsoever with the way Kyou comported himself at her house.