2010-09-28, 23:07 | Link #22 | |
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Can we say "moooooo"?
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2010-09-29, 00:03 | Link #23 |
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You might, especially if the bill don't get much media coverage or if they manage to stick one of the classical arguments, either the ''think of the children'' or the '' war againt terror'' ( but it isn't very likely).
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2010-09-29, 00:21 | Link #24 |
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If it's simply a matter of money then they will. Because what Vexx is pointing out is that he, among many other millions of people, I'm sure, went out to buy something he would otherwise never buy because of fansub groups that are considered illegal. What the institutions fail to realize is that these fansub groups are, perhaps unwittingly giving them unprecedented attention and coverage. I'm not saying their concern that "if it's available for free, people won't bother to buy it anymore" is illegitimate, but they're also not considering they're getting a lot more exposure to the outside world than they were before. This is what I'm talking about when I say the internet is the only remaining cheapest and liberal source of information. Take that away from us, and they're taking something away from themselves as well. But I'm more of the opinion that they have other motives and they don't want people to find certain information about companies and the ones who're really controlling them and people in government power.
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2010-09-29, 00:28 | Link #25 | |
The Interstellar Medium
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I hadn't actually heard about COICA until now, unless it was under a different name. Good find.
Now, if only the EU wouldn't bend over all the time to the US, I'm guessing we will something similar here too soon... Quote:
The Internet has made the traditional media companies to lose control over their market and people can get culture from everywhere, just not from them. This is really scary for them, and also the government in the same way. Free information that can't be controlled is a huge danger to the powers behind a nation and thus they can't keep the population "under their influence".
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2010-09-29, 00:52 | Link #26 | |
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As for me I also like to preview my anime before I buy it if they take that away then people would have to rely on word of mouth or watch anime from legal streaming sites like Funi and Crunchyroll. This could take a blow to the anime/manga market here in the US.
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2010-09-29, 03:22 | Link #28 | |
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2010-09-29, 04:04 | Link #30 |
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Vexx has nailed it pretty well: This is the result of unfettered rampant corporatism, written by lobbyists and funneled to the bought senators and committee members.
I'm as disgusted about it as anyone. However, I'm actually not quite as concerned as the majority seems to be. Why? Because it might actually have beneficial results which are completely unintended by the corporatists: It might finally sting enough to push a still mostly-lethargic public especially in the US into action, and make them aware what's happening here in the holy name of shareholder value. Let's assume the worst case for a minute (won't happen, just to think about it): The US takes control of the DNS and blanks out all US-centric domains of public torrent sites. Then the people running these sites will migrate to places in the world where US law doesn't apply. One step more, the government controls the US local ISP DNS services to block the resolution of non-US offender domains. Then tips on how to use foreign uncensored DNS servers will circulate in no time. Now big brother gets really nasty and blocks outward traffic on DNS ports, or blocks traffic to offending IP addresses (hello China!). Then people will start using VPN tunnels to external providers to go from there. But with every escalation, more and more people will get really REALLY pissed and wake up. The point is: There is essentially no chance to really do what they're intending to do, short of tyranny level censorship. And the more they squeeze, the more counteraction they will see. It's a losing battle for them. The culture of free access is pretty much ingrained in internet users nowadays. Besides: For example, the European parliament has rejected ACTA-like attempts in the past multiple times, and they are extremely critical of those representatives who currently lead the negotiations. Pirate Parties are spawning already, and the more pressure is brought to bear, they will gain votes, which will protect at least those countries which have proportional representation (did I mention already that the US is screwed in so many ways?). Nah. The worst they can do is pushing people a bit more underground. At the expense of their image. |
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2010-09-29, 05:14 | Link #32 |
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Regardless of the laws, the corporations can also decide to make this sort of a communication standard. Little example, Youtube blocks anything that contains Sony Music's songs when you are connecting to Youtube from Germany - while the content may well be watchable elsewhere.
That means they effectively use DNS/IP information to filter content now. Of'course that is not on the same level as COICA/ACTA yet. But once all ISPs are integrated into large corporations the result will be the same... this process is inevitable in a certain degree. And once everything is regulated to pieces, we will have what television is today, a corporatist money machine that keeps the viewers/participators in general more dull and compliant than educated and informed.
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2010-09-29, 07:16 | Link #33 | |
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That reminds me of the suppliers of electric energy in Germany. Technically there is a market where energy could be brokered in fair conditions for the end user. But since the providers became too big and too few, they can dictate the prices. I am not so optimistic that internet cartels can be prevented on the long run. The internet infrastructure is very expensive (especially the last mile - ISP) and therefore a target for big money business.
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2010-09-29, 11:09 | Link #36 | |
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What it comes down to, the internet will be restrictive in the future and anime worldwide is shrink.(Directly relating to this site). |
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2010-09-29, 11:42 | Link #38 | |
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2010-09-30, 00:00 | Link #39 | |
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2010-09-30, 00:14 | Link #40 | |
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