Tate no Yuusha/Shield Hero - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll

[Lex79]

I always find a bit hypocritical when authors make the hero not kill the bad guy for ethical reasons, only to have the villain killed immediately after either by the same hero in self defense or by accident. It's like they acknowledge that the villain deserves to die and killing him is the best solution but cannot say it explicitly.

[The Green One]

Because remember kids! Murder is bad!!!

[Dharma]

Remember Expanse? "You are not a man to kill him" was it?

[Dengar]

You know honestly, regardless of how badly this was executed. I don't think anyone deserves to die. Mostly because dead people can't feel, thus dead people can't be punished or otherwise compensate for what they have done.

And when I say compensate, I don't necessarily mean voluntarily.



But it's still very badly executed. "I would be just like you" is such a tiresome cliché it drives me nuts. You really have to do some mental gymnastics to make that into an accurate statement as well.

I mean if you consider the fact that his mistreatment of demihumans might be some kind of revenge for something the guy experienced in his own past, then maybe but even still there's no guarantee that she'll end up overcompensating in the same way. Especially since she has no indiscriminate hatred for anything human.



Still not fond of revenge though, but there are better ways to present such things.

[alex_drian]

Oh come on! even the Mane 6 in MLP fucking killed King Sombra.

[Dengar]

I don't know who any of these characters are so I can't really judge that.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I don't know who any of these characters are so I can't really judge that.

Basically, in My Little Pony the MCs killed the villain without a glimpse of guilt.

[Dengar]

Again, I don't know the context so I can't really judge that.

[The Green One]

From what little I know that show is big on the power of friendship, love, and redemption. So for the main characters to no mercy waste a major villain that says something significant.

[Dengar]

Yes but I don't know the context in which they do it. Like what are the circumstances that lead to this, etc etc.

[The Green One]

Look I don't know how to spell it out any clearer for you. Go watch it yourself if you want to know.

[Dengar]

You can't really expect me to watch an entire show, in a genre I'm not even into, just to understand an analogy, right?

[The Green One]

Then drop the subject and move on with your life if it's not important enough for you.

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by Dengar

You know honestly, regardless of how badly this was executed. I don't think anyone deserves to die. Mostly because dead people can't feel, thus dead people can't be punished or otherwise compensate for what they have done.

And when I say compensate, I don't necessarily mean voluntarily.



But it's still very badly executed. "I would be just like you" is such a tiresome cliché it drives me nuts. You really have to do some mental gymnastics to make that into an accurate statement as well.

I mean if you consider the fact that his mistreatment of demihumans might be some kind of revenge for something the guy experienced in his own past, then maybe but even still there's no guarantee that she'll end up overcompensating in the same way. Especially since she has no indiscriminate hatred for anything human.



Still not fond of revenge though, but there are better ways to present such things.

So you don't believe Hitler deserved to die. Or Mao. Or Stalin. Interesting philosophy you have. One I would never in a million lifetimes agree with, but to each their own.

[Dengar]

Hm? Deserved? No not really. I would have much preferred to see them punished instead. Besides, none of the people you mentioned were ever executed for their deeds.

Originally Posted by The Green One

Then drop the subject and move on with your life if it's not important enough for you.

I'm saying his alex_drian's argument is incomplete because it's rather lacking in context. No more, no less. Like you could interpret it as if they one day invaded the villain's castle and murdered him in his sleep. Or they killed him during a battle where something was at stake. There's a rather big difference here.

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Hm? Deserved? No not really. I would have much preferred to see them punished instead. Besides, none of the people you mentioned were ever executed for their deeds.

And how would you have punished people who murdered tens of millions? I am curious.

[Twi]

Raph not killing him is actually out of place in my perspective. Remember, when she was teen she tried to go for that guy who ordered the strike on Naofumi in a heartbeat. Like, killing him to stop him from keep doing it is smart. In fact, if they hadn't downplayed the guy as a threat they could have passed it off as a heat of the moment thing. He was trying to kill them and was going to try torturing the youngest princess.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by justinstrife

And how would you have punished people who murdered tens of millions? I am curious.

I don't know, it's not my job to figure that kind of stuff out.