2006-07-23, 20:16 | Link #81 |
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Sub-par anime.
Budget so-so animation. I don't know who could come up with this story without meaning to do a parody. You can have a show with poor sisters, but you can do without the exploding sakura petals whenever they think about something like carrots and rice. And the constant blushing, what is that -- like they're just filled with joy because fo their poorness or something? |
2006-07-24, 04:04 | Link #82 | |
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Yeah, but we're being shown this story of poverty is thru rose-colored glasses. It's one thing to show people in poverty. It's another thing to be totally unrealistic about it. This show borders on a celebration of living in poverty when the author chose an extreme scenario to use imo.
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But... You can't maintain an apartment, buy food and school supplies including uniforms by delivering newspapers unless you are doing something illegal on the side. Being female, the usual outlet is in the sex trade business. Any reasonable adult would have called child protection on them a long time ago. No one is going to remain on friendly terms with someone who feeds their potential meal to a pet alligator. If you are hungry enough to consider 2 crusts of bread + filling as a sandwich, then why did you let someone have your meat in the first place? To me, seeing people, esp. 2 children, struggle to make ends meet isn't something that I'd consider as a "feel good" anime title.
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2006-07-24, 12:17 | Link #83 | |
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I just hate it when poverty is "esthetized" like that. No, you can't be happy living with less than a few hundred yens a day. That's bullshit. No, having a sibling doesn't save you. No, you don't smile faintly when you're poor. You don't cry either. You just hit on walls, or the sibling in question. By cheesy I meant the awful japanese way of trying to talk you into "trying harder because it will always get better eventually. Trying harder because that's the only thing you have to do... etc" But I won't repeat what I think of this series or I'm gonna get flamed...
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2006-07-24, 15:13 | Link #84 |
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I too, should add my drop of voice into the muddy puddle. At the first episode, I was undecided, as I couldn’t quite tell if this could be enjoyably sentimental or overly mushy. But after watching the third episode, it is clear now, I've had enough. I now belong to the “show is excessively sappy” group. The final straw for me came in the form of the pink petals/hearts aura that appears everytime at the slightest hint of tenderness between Kyou and Asu, as others above have complained about. It's tolerable once or twice in judicious scenes, but not cheaply a dime a dozen times. I lost count how many times that effect came on in episode three, but it was too much, and it became retchingly untolerable. Kind of like Ginko-chan’s expression here. Ugh. This flaw fatally exposes that the show is too deliberately and ignorantly cheery through the refuge of sibling love. As orion succinctly puts it: "poverty through rose-colored glasses". Sorry, but these glasses are too weary on my eyes and I have to take them off now.
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2006-07-25, 08:43 | Link #85 | |
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2006-07-25, 22:19 | Link #86 | |
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2006-07-25, 23:06 | Link #88 |
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I don't care about the cherry blossom petals being everyhwere. This show is just unrealistic. For the sake of argument, let's say that they slip throught the crack of children protection system for whatever reason because we all know that it happens. Adults cannot help for whatever reason; it happens sometimes but I just don't see why it should be the case in these sisters' situation. Let's put these aside, shall we?
Surviving on the salary of delivering newspapers alone is just impossible. They can even afford to go to school!! For two! They have that little studio appartment! Seriously, that apt is better than my apt IN THE BASEMENT when I was a grad student, except we had a bathroom. I do believe that living expense is higher in Japan than US. I hope that they are not praising poverty because it is a very sad thing. I thought the sisters had to work their tails off for this but they are happy for being poor!?? That poor!!?? That is not right.
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2006-07-26, 00:07 | Link #89 |
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Of course It's unrealistic, It's a cartoon!
I don't believe reality should be debated. thats like aguring how unreal Gundams are. That aside, I'm really enjoying this anime. Slice of life shows are my favorite type of anime. I think the two girls are quite charming. |
2006-07-26, 12:30 | Link #90 |
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In one of the graphic design section I've attended.I was taught that reusing a particular pattern could make a person's mind to remember the thing that was being shown.The following screencap is an scene that illustrate Asu's thought when she was fighting with Ginko over a meat.In this scene, one can see the leaves like patten around them too.
Accept my apology for being straight forward.For the anime viewer who have watched Yuri animes or have a slight knowledge of that genre,Yuri,when the similar graphic patterns is shown in the scene where two sister hugging each other,his/her mind might be started to switch on another kind of theme that totally stray away from the based theme of a show. Let's say for example,if I show this anime to my 7 years old young-sister or a brother who has not watch yuri or anime that depciting forbidden-love(in YumeTsukai term) before, the response from them will be quite different from one Otaku who have watch over a thousand of animes in his lifetime. Our thoughts and mind have been poisoned by anime and manga overdoes,so this kind of animes are definiately needed as the antidotes.So futher allow me shoot myself to death with the rubber bands, if I suppose to poison the antidote I have to take , my lovely friend Muir Woods. |
2006-07-27, 22:48 | Link #92 |
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In response to the living standards of the Yamada sisters, they can make ends meet just by Kyou's income from her part time jobs.
Paper deliveries can rake in 70-80,000 yen (600 US$) per month for morning deliveries alone, if done on a daily basis, and if she wanted to, the evening deliveries can bring in an additional 40-50,000 ($340), although some newspapers don't publish evening editions. Then again, she probably doesn't earn full wages as it doesn't look like she's at the news dealer at 3AM putting in the advertisement inserts. We see that Kyou also does tutorial work, although I can only picture her teaching kids. Their rent at the 40 year old apartment is 26,000 yen ($220) per month, and they should be able to limit other expenses (utilities, food, toiletries, clothing and other necessities) under 30,000 yen ($260). Tuition for grade and middle schoolers in public schools isn't anything extraodinary (provided they don't take school lunch and participate in extra curricular activites), which is subject to discount or exemption for low income families like them. Then again, the preview for episode 5 shows a picture of their monthly financial situation in the red, so they do have keep to up with their frugal ways. According to the website, it is stated that recent changes in law allow for middle schoolers to work, however, that has always been the case for odd jobs such as newspaper deliveries. I'm wondering if the changes allow for minors to be able to live by themselves, which in reality, they cannot without the supervision of a legal guardian, unless they're spouses. Normally for low income households, they would receive monetary and material aid under the social security net system, but I suppose not, as they probably don't want social workers frequently visiting them and knowing of their predicament, especially about their father who is probably still their legal guardian. This anine certainly doesn't seek to glorify poverty, but portrays the happiness and family bond that can be found in bleak circumstances. As for Episode 4: Spoiler for Episode 4:
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2006-07-28, 21:19 | Link #93 |
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Episode 4 was very good. Sure more pink petals make their apperance, but their neighbor is developed a lot more than the manga, and the chibified faces that Asu makes are so amusing.
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2006-07-29, 07:23 | Link #94 |
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I cant stand this anime anymore too. Its too exegerated heartwarming and cute that it fails to be exactly that. They try to make a big deal out of things that are no big deal and fail to present it adequately or as a fitting parody. All in all id say the targeted audience are children of too low age, or people with a wierd fetish.
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2006-07-29, 16:36 | Link #96 |
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Now that I have watched up to episode 4, my love for this show hasn't diminished, which is strange because normally I hate overly sentimental stories but there is something in this that doesn't make me to hate this or even have negative feeling, maybe it is the constant blushing, maybe it is the cuteness factor, maybe it is the positive mood that it gives, or just simply saying that you can be happy even if you are poor.
I laughed at Ginko's expression at ep. 3 when the sister go lovey-dovey once again, while they don't realize it, someone outsider (like us) think that a little awkward. And btw Ginko's big sister is voiced by Naomi Shindoh, Shizuru from My-HiME/Mai-Otome. |
2006-07-29, 21:58 | Link #97 |
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The petals are such a superficial thing, though, I can't see how so many people can find it distracting. Personally, I barely notice them.
Seen up to ep 4 now, and I continue to dig this, if only because the weight of attention given to the characters is near perfect for this type of series. I think it's really commendable that the series has never let the inconsequential stories get in the way of good old fashion character development and the amount, even if it isn't terribly profound, is substantial and, to me anyway, pretty interesting. This isn't the greatest anime ever, but I still consider it a good watch, and a good demonstration of how to do character-focused slice-of-life.
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2006-07-30, 02:36 | Link #98 | |
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2006-07-30, 03:33 | Link #99 | |
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The bound between Kyo and Asu should not be considered as cheap.>>Muir Woods. dicussion contain spoilers for ep4 Spoiler:
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Of course, this series is another case of "if you don't like the characters you're wasting you're time" since there's clearly nothing else to this series. Edit: Quote:
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Anyway, if we want to nitpic about unrealistic premises, there are several anime that have them, including some of the best series such as Monster. But, once one gets past this, particularly in Monster's case, the story is amazing and a lot of it can be accredited to the focus given to the characters. Obviously Binbou Shimai Monogatari isn't in the same tier as Monster (no where near it), but I still say, once one gets past the unrealistic premise, it's a decent series with a good amount of attention on its main characters.
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