Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 25 Discussion / Poll

[Auria]

Originally Posted by the_rogue

Why, Chiaki Kon, why? I was ready to forgive you (heck, even applaud you) for last episode's cuts were you to use the awesome time setup it made for the final two episodes properly . But no, you had to go and pointlessly stretch out yet another less important scene.

This reminds me of Higurashi Kai where the "Save Satoko" scenes dragged like hell (well I haven't read the original, true, but I could tell that there were other things she could've focused on). Does she even know what scenes people actually want to see?

</rant that I was going to save for later but this is just too much>

Proper review after I see a proper raw but...argh.

why are people always blaming Chiaki Kon.. there are many people left making important decisions (series organizer, storyboarder etc) the part of the direction really varies from anime to anime in terms of "director is really the head of the production" and not just the person who is.. well, directing the episode. I'm a director for theatre pieces and when you are told to direct with a given script and it's crappy, well... try to get the best out of it

back to topic:
Probably the scene that got cut the least in the anime.
One of the scenes from the 4th novel that failed to entertain me properly.
Seeing favorite scenes rushed in the next episode.
Well, uhm, equals "not that good" is quite.. nicely put XD

[Joneleth]

Well this doesn't look good for next week.

Eva's blown up face is full of win though. -

[Akuryou]

This is my favourite scene of EP4, and certainly up there for my favourite chapter of all Umineko so far, and I'm not happy they spent an entire episode on it.

[Used Can]

My face while checking this episode's spoilers:

Spoiler:

Honestly, I think DEEN is just trolling us. I bet they check all the discussion boards possible, just to laugh at the comments.

[Xander]

I don't think this is a good idea either, but I'm not going to pass final judgment on it until the series has ended and we can see whether or not the animation studio managed to somehow end the show properly.

I'm trying to avoid judging the series in terms of faithfulness, at this point in time, because that leads nowhere.

If the ending works on some level, in spite of cutting or moving things around, I can be rather tolerant.

[MarthX]

DEEN saw how bad the DVD sales prior to the creation of this episode, and they decided to troll the fans.

[Kitsu]

Even so you guys are complaining..to be honest I liked the episode. Of course the next one will be rushed and there will be cuts. But THIS episode was really good in my opinion.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Kitsu

But THIS episode was really good in my opinion.

That doesn't matter, at all. This will completely and utterly screw up the next one so bad, it won't be funny.

Honestly, I don't get it why, but I'm not even angry. In fact, I even laughed when I saw the pics at 2chan. I think I really stopped giving a fuck about this anime a long time ago.

Ah... oh well. Bon Appétit.

[luckyssol]

Spoiler for Rokkenjima Map:

Ange was holding what appears to be some sort of elevation map. It appears as though something changed the geography of the island between 1986 and 1998. The part of the island where the mansion was is now shown to be the same elevation as the beach. The affected area appears to be pretty large too.

Also, Ange passed by a keep out sign left by some Toyko Metropolitan crew on her way there.

The Ange vs. Kasumi scene should have taken less than half the time it actually ended up taking. If they were planning to devote an entire episode to this scene I wish they would have at least cut content from some of the previous episodes to make room for the final content of this series.

If you judge this episode by itself it was done very well. However, there is too much to cover for the remaining episode to be adapted as well as I hoped. I won't judge this episode on how they adapt the final episode which hasn't even aired yet.

[June 1983]

Hmmm ... that thing with the map is EXTREMELY interesting.

[TeeHee]

I know that the next episode will be too rushed, but...

Still a good episode. Really liked the shotgun scene.

Originally Posted by tcaz2

For once in my life I'm actually on the verge of hoping that Witch Hunt doesn't release the Ep5 patch til after the 23rd.

Cause we might need a pick me up at this rate.

Or otherwise an OVA addendum episode (aka ep 27, 28). Not that they would...

But if they did, it would help to fill in on some of the other parts of the story. Like the boxing match...

[Auria]

Originally Posted by Kitsu

Even so you guys are complaining..to be honest I liked the episode. Of course the next one will be rushed and there will be cuts. But THIS episode was really good in my opinion.

I think the people that liked this in the VN scene will enjoy it and rate it on its own, since it's the scene that got cut the least so far I think.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Auria

why are people always blaming Chiaki Kon.. there are many people left making important decisions (series organizer, storyboarder etc) the part of the direction really varies from anime to anime in terms of "director is really the head of the production" and not just the person who is.. well, directing the episode. I'm a director for theatre pieces and when you are told to direct with a given script and it's crappy, well... try to get the best out of it

Theater pieces and a 26 episode season are two completely different things.

Chikai Kon basically decides the majority of the decisions. Of course there are other major positions but everything goes through her in terms of okaying something and not. She did horrid with the adaptation of Higurashi's first season and Kai was only a good adaptation because Ryukishi was co-directing with her. But of course he couldn't do that with these episodes since he had other things to do (when DEEN decided to adapt Umineko EP 3 was released only a while later, along with EP 4 in December 08).

I can't even understand why they picked her to direct. I would have dearly preferred Higurashi Rei's director myself (he also works on the Umineko staff but doesn't make major decisions like Chikai Kon) who showed that he can make a solid adaptation.

Chikai Kon fails time and time again. DEEN just enjoys blaming everyone but themselves and her. When a play fails it's not usually the actors fault as much as the director however. Art isn't always stunning, but it does well in some places. The VA's are great and although music direction can be a bit shabby it still does a decent job.

Clearly the fault can't be put in DEEN as much as the people they hire to direct. Chikai Kon is the director and the anime is failing with both viewers and sales.

I'll write a review in a little while - the episode was okay, but I would have preferred them NOT to spend an entire episode on just this one chapter.

[Skullchukka]

Originally Posted by MarthX

DEEN saw how bad the DVD sales prior to the creation of this episode, and they decided to troll the fans.

I heard that really works.
Endless Umineko nights anyone?

So, I wonder; Why would they pick this scene for a whole episode, when there are far more important stuff to cover, but they couldn't do so, because they lacked time?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Skullchukka

Why would they pick this scene for a whole episode, when there are far more important stuff to cover?

Well, this is the scene which explains magic in the best possible way, I guess. However, it wasn't worth an entire episode. It should have got 10 minutes at best, in my opinion.

Well, maybe Kyrie = Kasumi after all, or Kasumi killed Kyrie and took her place, or perhaps it was all the work of little kamikaze blue men.

[blitz1/2]

oh yay! Another episode butchered. Woo! Now, as for last ep, I bet. EVEN BIGGER screw up!

[momobunny]

This episode wasn't butchered... it was actually very well done if you ask me.

It's the pacing that's butchered. Next episode is screwed. D:

[Skreecher]

I must say, I loved this episode!!! I can't remember exactly how much story was left after this ep, but I still think this was a really great episode. I hate how everyone keeps complaining EVERY SINGLE EPISODE! If it really is that bad, why do you keep watching it? Just read the sound novel again.
But I am glad they kept my favorite quote of the whole series.

Spoiler for epic quote:

"Have a nice dream. See you hell"
"Cool"

[Christen]

The episode was faithful to the VN, but they didn't do the proper cuts here to speed up the pace. 7/10 for me.

I am worried about next week's episode.

[TsundereCake]

And you all thought I was crazy for worrying that this episode would only have the Ange-Kasumi scene