2011-08-22, 14:30 | Link #16004 | |
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Organic bean sprouts. Organic farming, after all, provides ideal conditions for the growth of that species of bacteria, and all it takes is one guy not washing his hands... |
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2011-08-22, 16:28 | Link #16005 | ||
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Chiropractic techniques actually came from Chinese osteopathic concepts concerning the natural position of muscles, and as they grow in stiffness and strength over time, readjust the bones in unnatural positions . The qi and power lines stuff is just a sweeping explanation of how the human body works; it is still a mystery what passes through those "meridians" and why opening or closing "gates" with super-fine needles does help at all. It is still the best if you get your TCM from more regulated and less lobbied places like Singapore, Malaysia or Hong Kong. It isn't cheap, but at least it is better than consuming Dhasedyl syrup for two weeks for a whooping cough, and wasting $100 when a $50 TCM treatment solves it all in a week. I'll post my personal theory when I get back from work. If it wasn't for TCM I would never walk again - some dumb noob quack doctor told me to go for another operation when I already paid a five-figure sum and went for 1 to fix my damn left leg. Thank goodness my mum is still a tiger in her own way then and sent me to a TCM instead.
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2011-08-22, 16:41 | Link #16006 |
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The TCM (and a lot of traditional medicine, really) is essentially a few thousand years of clinical testing, observation, and experimentation. Lot of modern people tend to forget traditional cures especially ones you might find in small countryside villages in Europe or the backwoods of N. America. They tend to throw it out as if it were tainted by the image of the Dark Ages when Europe lost much of the knowledge the Romans and Greeks had accumulated.
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2011-08-22, 17:57 | Link #16007 | |
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Remember how we used to think Leeches were a good idea? That's only the tip of the iceberg... Modern Medecine has given us Antibiotics and Vaccines (among other things), which I'd count to be greater then all the contributions of traditional medecine combined. Those 2 alone have saved more people's lives then anything else. |
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2011-08-22, 18:10 | Link #16008 | |
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2011-08-22, 18:20 | Link #16009 |
Knight Errant
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Well, the old Humours theory was certainly bunk.
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2011-08-22, 19:02 | Link #16010 |
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The trouble with electrical fields and other type thing that deal with nerves and the brain is that we don't understand how they work, even with science. We might be able to detect them and figure out what goes where, but we've not figured out why nor how to correct problems (otherwise we'd have a lot less crippled people).
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2011-08-22, 19:59 | Link #16011 | |
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I'm not criticizing modern medicine by any scope, but people have relied on traditional medicines for thousands of years. Our pharmaceutical companies large and small are going to rainforests and finding what tribal people use, what cultures that have relied on to keep their people from dying for hundreds of years. 'Natural medicine' that's been passed down has essentially been in clinical trial for the period since the inception of the use of that particular herb, animal, plant, or mix thereof. The efficacy certainly won't be the same as modern medicine primarily because we identify, purify, and pack in the active ingredient that does what it was tested to do for modern medicine. As an example, consider aspirin. Aspirin used to be a tea or powder derived from willow trees until they identified the active ingredient and set out to find the best way to produce and package it. Last edited by Decagon; 2011-08-22 at 20:19. |
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2011-08-22, 20:11 | Link #16012 | |
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Canadian Opposition Leader Jack Layton dead of cancer at 61:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...-obituary.html Damn... from campaign trail to grave in three months. Pretty much the only person in the Canadian left that could make me feel like we're anything but divided and ineffective too. Quote:
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2011-08-22, 20:17 | Link #16013 | |
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meant to aren't completely useless.
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2011-08-22, 20:37 | Link #16015 | ||
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Take a perusal and you'll notice the interesting discrepancies between the human colon versus the great apes' colon, and the human small intestine vs. the great apes' small intestine. In primates, the small intestine's primary purpose is extracting nutrients from readily available sources. The colon, in contrast, is tasked with breaking down the parts the small intestine cannot - using bacteria to ferment and digest. What are readily available sources? Meat, primarily, due to the similar cellular structure shared by all animals. What parts of food is the small intestine incapable of digesting? Fiber and starch, aka constituents of plants. So why would the human colon shrink and small intestine GROW if humans have remained 'primarily herbivores' like our close relatives? There is no answer because that makes no sense. Humans are omnivorous and have relied on meat for sustenance since our evolution. Note the gorilla, who is the only member of the list that is exclusively herbivorous, has the smallest small intestine of them all, in stark contrast to our own species. While I admire the spirit of vegetarians and vegans, I believe they are misguided. They are right that plants are an extremely healthy part of the human diet. But as a favorite strength coach of mine once said, "a vegetarian diet is perfect, as long as you add some meat to it." Quote:
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2011-08-22, 21:11 | Link #16016 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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As Decagon and Chain said, people shouldn't forget the fact that many synthetic drugs were discovered and eventually derived from naturally occurring sources.
Common anti-arrythmic drugs? Derived from Digitalis species and eventually synthetics were made. Inotropic drugs to control heart function? Derived from epinephrine inside animal and human species. Insulin for Diabetes types I and II is currently culled from pigs, horses and other animal sources. Hell, most currently used antibiotics are derived from actual microorganisms, isolated, and produced synthetically (penicillin was discovered from mold after all). Herbal medicines and naturally occurring drugs aren't bullshit. New drugs aren't serendipitously discovered or synthesized by mixing chemicals in the lab. Most are observed, discovered and isolated from naturally occurring sources. Nature itself is the world's first and foremost scientific laboratory. Anyway the reason humans cannot breakdown cellulose is because we lack the genes that encode the enzyme Cellulase. Cellulose is a very long chain polysaccharide and the enzymes we possess such as amylase can only break down long chain sugars up to a point. Sugars going into the cullolse length require a different enzyme mostly in bacteria. Likewise humans can't produce our own Vitamin C because of a defect in the genes for L-gulunolactone enzyme required to transform glucose to VitC.
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2011-08-22, 21:20 | Link #16017 | |
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2011-08-22, 21:27 | Link #16018 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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Well of course drugs need to go through multiple phases of pharmaceutical testing, but one must also consider that drugs can take nearly 10 years in the testing cycle before it's even approved, and even those could get pulled a year into release. Drugs are expensive, that's almost a fact, making even the most common drugs to treat easy conditions beyond the means of many people in poor countries. Either that, or the drugs may come cheap but with a ton of adverse effects in tow (like the antibiotic Chloramphenicol). Many people go to traditional herbal medicines because they are cheaper more available.
For example, here are the ten herbal medicines approved by the Philippine department of health, tested and trialled before approval.
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2011-08-22, 21:41 | Link #16019 | |
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India actually has the second largest pharmaceutical industry in the world almost purely due to this fact. They almost never develop any new drugs of their own. However the patent law recently changed. Indian companies still specialize in manufacturing drugs more cheaply though... I'm not sure whether it's ethical or not, but a lot of those drugs would never have gotten to the people the indians are selling to so... |
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2011-08-22, 22:48 | Link #16020 | |
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How know, sadly, that might have saved the Bloc Québecois.
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