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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 87 | 50.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 54 | 31.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 8.19% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 4.09% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 1.75% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.75% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.58% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.17% | |
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2011-12-11, 01:30 | Link #121 |
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9/10 for me. The closeup face shots of Iri, Saber, and Gil looked way different (too wide?) from the previous eps and was too distracting throughout the ep for me. I couldn't stop wondering, what happened to them everytime I saw it? >.< Otherwise, everything else was great.
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2011-12-11, 01:33 | Link #122 | |
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2011-12-11, 01:41 | Link #124 |
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The charas design isn't off model, more likely they using another set of animation director n animator for this eps. This is isn't first time they using this palette for char design (eps 4, 6, and 9 is most noticeably) That was not off model if that is not the first time n intentional, whether you like it or not its up to you, but its wasn't an error.
Anime produced that way, you all must realize this with your experiences watching anime(with other staff working eps n other set of staff working others), n because the eps pretty much only consist chatting this eps, they decide to go with less detailed palette. Btw best chat ever.
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2011-12-11, 02:13 | Link #126 |
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Guess we'll just have to see what they add in the Blu-ray or whatever.
Here's hoping they add from the sound drama of Gilgamesh laughing his ass off non stop when Saber told them her ideals. And continues to laugh in the background the whole time, it's pretty hilarious. youtube link of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DLlL...utu.be&t=1m30s |
2011-12-11, 02:22 | Link #127 |
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This show is really good I am really blown away by it is quality I was preparing my self to be disappointed since adapting the light novel is no easy task even the removed parts did not hinder my enjoyment and this is really a rare case since I am very hard to please when it comes to animation.
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2011-12-11, 02:44 | Link #128 | |
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IIRC, Endless Twilight hasn't read the novels, so he thought that Gilgamesh actually gave a definition of kingship (which would have been interesting to hear), although that's not in this scene in the novel either. The absence of such a speech — the fact that he doesn't feel the need to debate ideologies and just ridicules Saber — is a form of character development as well.
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2011-12-11, 04:31 | Link #129 |
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Figures that Rider doesn't feel any modern responsibility to his people. Saber's a for-the-people hero while Rider's a classic "all for me!" ruler.
The discussion was very nice. Like Lancer's story it gave some nice insight and connection to the characters. Gil actually chilling out with all of them but staying mostly quiet was interesting and pretty cool. |
2011-12-11, 04:33 | Link #130 | ||
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It's no wonder Kiritsugu doesn't even respond to her. She makes stupid requests that aren't even worthy of his time. Quote:
Rider does consider his people but what would reviving his empire do? What's done is done. Saber wants to mess with (several hundred years of) history. |
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2011-12-11, 04:59 | Link #131 | |
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I think you're confusing his comradeship with his fellow warriors with how he sees Kingship and responsibility to the average person. |
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2011-12-11, 05:09 | Link #132 | |||||
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However, there is a critical part you are omitting: again, the terrible issue they were confronted for this episode is that splitting the feast and Ionian Hetairoi is absolutely no good: -whether it could potentially build a "cliffhanger" is nothing satisfying, because the very next episode would have a disjointed pace and the tension would drop midway. -breaking the momentum with Rider's kingship speech would be an even more akin to fatal mistake than simple cuts left and right. This is also the reason why the original episode is longer than this, and why they actually already animated them, as proved by last week preview lines from Tokiomi and Gilgamesh. Quote:
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Being the embodiement of desire and leadership is what makes a king in his prime, not leaving power being spread and wasted. Of course, such "selfishness" would be detrimental to a certain degree, but it is a necessary sacrifice for the nation by itself. Without a leader worth of protecting, a nation wouldn't stand on its own. By definition, a King rules a country and de facto, his subjects.
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2011-12-11, 05:28 | Link #133 |
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Awesome episode (makes me wonder why they wasted an episode last week)
I've always disliked Sabers motives for the grail war. I mentioned it in the episode 2 thread, but why is Saber trying to save her Brittian, when it has survived til this present day. Going back and changing the future could end up disasterous. If any of you have seen Pandora Hearts, and then see what Break did, you will understand what I mean. I've always thought playing with the past is a dangerous thing with bad consequences. Say she does win the Grail, changes the past. Who knows what England would be today? Maybe a French Vassel?. Think you get the point. So I stand on Riders side on things. But of what he said I agree around 80 % (estimating here). But overall he raised some good points. The main point Rider points out. Saber may of fought to protect her country or people, but she was always acting alone and never once did she truely lead them/it (is what I made of it). The Assassins showing up hoping for an easy ambush, turned out to be completely disasterous. They never inticipated Rider to counter attack like that. It was awesome! I especially loved how the commander of the Assassins just stood motionless knowing how screwed they were. Open field, Soldiers vs Assassins... They were just no match. I see people say there was more story to be told in the light novel. Which is a shame not to hear it all when they wasted an episode on Rin. To conlued, that was a really nice ending to the episode. Am I safe to say that now... Assassin is *offically* defeated. The *offical* battles so far Assassin vs Archer -- winner: Archer (obviously not complelely legit and assassins still exsisted) Lancer vs Saber -- *Pending* thus the winner fights Rider? Assassin vs Rider --- winner: Rider (Assassin completely defeated) Battle I want to see next Caster vs Berserker - (winner to fight Archer) Last edited by Velsy; 2011-12-11 at 05:45. |
2011-12-11, 05:54 | Link #134 |
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Rider's noble phantasms was orgasmic. I figured he was powerful, but I did not expect anything on this level. I'm looking forward to his inevitable fight with Archer. Those two are clearly in a league of their own in this war, only Saber with avalon could possibly be a match for them.
I loved the three King's dialogue. Well, more like two. Rider made a very compelling argument. I would have liked to hear more of Gil's thoughts on the matter, but him laughing his ass off when Saber stated her wish was all that was needed.
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2011-12-11, 06:53 | Link #135 |
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So .. Iskandar managed to change my views and thoughts of what a true King is all about.
I still standby Arturia's way of managing her Kingdom. But damn Iskandar taught me to look things from a different perspective! I can't say i disagree with his opinion cuz he did raise good points. From the moment he activated his Reality Marble till the end was the greatest scene of the season so far. It really , or shud i say surpass my expectations of how they'd make out the scene! Perfect! |
2011-12-11, 07:14 | Link #136 | |
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It's not that it couldn't work. I'd say there was no incentive for people in power to make it work. Something like "it's necessary for the nation" is as legit as the classic "divine right of kings." Not that I ever meant some fancy criticism of classic fictionalized heroes by modern standards. I'm just calling a spade a spade. The older stories of heroes and fantasy aren't filled with modern sentiments. And Rider just happens to be one of those heroes. |
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2011-12-11, 07:30 | Link #137 |
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Iskander advanced a non-sequitur of the form to rule effectively one must be the most amoral and self-serving. Why this example naturally supersedes a just rule of equivalent power and prowess in battle and politics is not given explanation. This distinction between power and the will that directs the same for a kingdom's stability and direction is not accounted for in Iskander's rationale.
moreover, for the benefit of clarity, the supposed contrast to Saber's position was presented with certain misrepresentation to the histories involved. Saber had both the power and ideals to serve Camelot, it was betrayal which (as I understand) led to Camelot's downfall. Thus for serving as a point of contrast, whilst neither ideology can safeguard the particular challenge of betrayal, their influence on the likelihood of same becoming a source of disruption to both rulership and its dominion underscores what makes for tenable differences between the ideologies. |
2011-12-11, 07:36 | Link #139 |
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Gilgamesh showing off with his wine ^^
Rider sure likes to drink LOL Those three discussing their pasts were pretty serious about it. Assassin sure messed up their little party. Rider really is a special one, just amazing.
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