2012-10-03, 06:11 | Link #21 |
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So they've got a prison sentence as punishment for downloading pirated material now eh. Do they have the same attitude about actually pirating said material? It's not going to be enforced much if at all but at least it would be consistent.
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2012-10-03, 06:13 | Link #22 | |
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Eventhough it did not prevent people from downloading on the internet after his arrest, it's probably the mentaility that "downloading music is not legal" that counted. |
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2012-10-03, 06:17 | Link #23 | |
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2012-10-03, 07:25 | Link #24 | |
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2012-10-03, 07:55 | Link #25 | |
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Also there was a debate about the incest theme in the anime. |
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2012-10-03, 08:04 | Link #26 | |
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Apart from that, this will really hurt uploaders more...People in Japan themselves don't really need to download Won't stop the flow though...they just upload with the help of their China pirate comrades
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2012-10-03, 08:39 | Link #27 | |
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1 download != 1 lost sale. It's not even a fraction of a LOST sale, it's a fraction of a sale. Illegal downloads are free advertising, the biggest pirates are the biggest buyers. Sure there are some cheapasses that download instead of buying things that they would have bought otherwise, but I think for the most part, illegal downloads are from people who are trying things out, lack money to buy, or for whatever other reason wouldn't buy even if they couldn't get it for free. For anime specifically. http://www.rieti.go.jp/en/publicatio.../11010021.html Government study. Concludes that Youtube (illegal streams) boost DVD sales, and Winy (P2P downloads) does not have an affect on sales. However, its only a correlation and may or may not be causal. |
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2012-10-03, 08:45 | Link #28 | |
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Back to topic: Most likely this law will be used against serious offenders, those that make money off such pirated content. The point to most Japanese laws (aside from the fore-mentioned decoration purposes) is to be able to have a stick to use when there is an outright violation of basic principles. Japan is a civil law state, so there needs to be something actually written in the books to ensure that someone can be sentenced. This reminds me of the incident where DVD ripping (or something like that) CDs were distributed with a magazine: the police cracked down on that case because the CDs were part of a magazine that needed to be bought, thus being a form of "profit". Regardless of the intentions of the distributor, the fact was the CDs were basically paid for, and to let that go when there is a firm law in force is to basically render that law powerless when you need it against serious offenders. As was mentioned, if those CDs were distributed by itself and without any money being received, it would have been entirely legal. |
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2012-10-03, 08:51 | Link #29 | |
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2012-10-03, 08:55 | Link #31 | |
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The costs of anime discs from japan are indeed high, but the reasons for that is an entire different topic that i am not going to start. |
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2012-10-03, 09:04 | Link #33 | |
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That most people here can't buy the discs, is pretty obvious to begin with. That's the reason why i brought that up as a counter argument against random32's post. |
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2012-10-03, 09:24 | Link #35 | |
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Ignoring that the anime hype died down in the US quite some years ago (and it pretty much has never recovered) the japanese producers don't get too much out these licences and those licences are probably mostly extras for them. Their primary way of earning back their losses comes from the disc and merchandise (which sometimes can also be music cd's or games related to that anime) sales, that's why the animes these days don't tend to target foreign audiences. Also that's why there is such a huge price difference between an anime disc for the US and Japan. For a blu-ray in japan (with just 2 episodes) you have to pay almost $90. As for the legal streams (like crunchyroll) in the US, i am going to be blunt about it but i don't think it's working that well. Besides that i don't think enough people are paying members, their selection is pretty limited as well (some of Crunchyroll's content are not even available for outside of the US ). Last edited by hyl; 2012-10-03 at 09:36. |
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2012-10-03, 11:32 | Link #37 | |
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No, but the anime content that would normally be avalible to me with the cable package for TV is not avalible. If it was I could simply record it off the TV and watch it later. Since it is not avalible, the internet is the primary means of equalizing that issue. If I want to buy the DVD or BD later on (there are plenty of older American series owned here that we recorded on VHS or even Betamax in the 1980s) I will. In a few cases I have. But most anime episodes I see once, and that is it. Just like television, except I don't have that option normally to just turn on the TV to see it. For something like Space Battleship Yamato 2199, I did buying the BD. One because I've been a fan for a long time and plan to watch it more than once, but also because it was not avalible on TV. It was shown in theaters. It can be seen on the internet, but I have the BD.
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If you have seen the disc sales thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=109699) then you know that sales are not that high, because they are targeted for a pretty niche martket. I have no idea if the japanese people who buys anime, watch them illegally with downloads. Because they actually don't have to , seeing that they can already watch animes legally on their tv's (unless they missed it or want to watch certain animes sooner, because their local tv air that specific anime on a later day) If uploading and downloading anime is no longer allowed, i think it will rather hurt the foreign viewers more than the japanese viewers. Quote:
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2012-10-03, 12:03 | Link #40 | |
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=58005 it seems that unlicensed animes are even protected by international copyright laws |
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