2011-10-02, 09:47 | Link #661 | |||
Lets be reality
Join Date: May 2007
|
Quote:
Btw Kadokawa's greed in making this 13 volumes instead of the now industry standard 9 could've been a factor in this series selling as it did. Not a major factor but one regardless. Quote:
Quote:
A-1 is the fastest rising studio in the industry because their parent company Aniplex is simply put the dominant production company of this time. In the last 4 years A-1 Pictures have made 7 shows that have broken the 10k barrier, in the last eleven Sunrise have done 12... (the most of any studio since 2000) and A-1 have Idolmaster and Working 2 to come... (Though tbf to Sunrise they also have Gundam AGE and Horizon, the latter which is ranking well on Amazon jp atm which is a good sign) As for KyoAni needing to do something big and new.. yes eventually but you downplay the massive impact the K-ON! Movie will cause with not only ticket sales but cd singles, merchandise, increased manga sales and eventually BD and DVD sales of the movie. Now when it comes to something new it's not like KyoAni didn't turn small time 4komas like Lucky Star & K-ON! into massive hits, just because they failed once with Nichijou doesn't tarnish their record overall. Though if Kadokawa get desperate and insist on another Haruhi (for say Spring or Summer 2012) it's not like we'll see anything new from KyoAni until this time next year anyway at the earliest..... btw as much as some people like to think it, the Haruhi brand has not been tarnished by Endless Eight, the Bluray Box Set collection of Haruhi sold gangbusters (in excess of 30,000) and the movie performed really well. A third series is certainly going to sell closer to the first than the second... especially if the recent light novel sales are any indication.... Will be interesting to see what happens... Last edited by Westlo; 2011-10-02 at 10:10. |
|||
2011-10-02, 10:13 | Link #662 | ||
Japanese Culture Fan
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 33
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
2011-10-02, 10:24 | Link #663 | |||
Lets be reality
Join Date: May 2007
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quoting ultimatemegax from AOD Quote:
|
|||
2011-10-02, 10:40 | Link #664 | ||
Japanese Culture Fan
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 33
|
Quote:
Although if Tanigawa ends the novels around 12 or 13, a continuation can come sooner. I wouldn't know since I don't read the novels. If Tanigawa does have such plans, and he lets Kadokawa know, then releasing a 3rd season next year wouldn't be unwise. |
||
2011-10-02, 10:55 | Link #665 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
|
Quote:
Many/most episodes are based on a manga chapter but expanded upon in ways that made sense. This was as true for season 1 as it was for season 2, though.
__________________
|
|
2011-10-02, 11:09 | Link #668 | |
Japanese Culture Fan
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 33
|
Quote:
No. |
|
2011-10-02, 11:21 | Link #669 | |||||||
Senior Member
Author
|
Quote:
All I meant is that Nichijou is the only project that KyoAni has going for any period between Winter 2011 to Fall 2011. Basically, that's all they have for a full 12 month period. This much is known. We know that KyoAni did only Nichijou during Winter 2011 through Summer 2011, and we know that they're doing nothing in Fall 2011. I certainly don't mean that there's nothing KyoAni can do after the K-On! movie (which is slated for this winter). Going to another Key property might be a wise choice, agreed. Quote:
Let me use an analogy here: Let's suppose Apple, the widely recognized King of smartphones and smart devices, basically took an entire year off from making new iPhones, iPods, iPads, etc... During that off year, a couple upstart competitors started putting out new high-grade smartphones that sold like hot cakes, and took the market by storm. How do you think the media would be reporting on this? I can tell you right now that there would be several articles asking (either explicitly, or implicitly) "Is Apple's dominance in the smartphone marketplace being ate away by Company XYZ?" I'm kind of surprised that similar questions aren't being asked more about A-1 (or even P.A. Works) vs. KyoAni. I mean, the total number of hardcore otaku customers is not huge. You usually only get so many big sellers all at the same time. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
What I'd like to see from KyoAni in 2012: Something big/new starting in Spring or Fall. Another Haruhi season in Fall or Spring. That's an absolute best-case scenario though, imo. But I'd like to think that KyoAni could handle a couple major projects in 2012.
__________________
|
|||||||
2011-10-02, 11:27 | Link #670 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 46
|
They could easily get another 14 episode season of Haruhi out of what is left from books 5 and 6 along with books 7 and 8. They mght be able to make a 28 episode season with the added material from books 9, 10, and 11, which is one story. But since books 9, 10, and 11 are one story, it might work as a movie instead...unless it is too long or complex, then it might need its own season to get all the details to work.
Or they can add in some of the extra materals to a make a 28 episode season with just books 5, 6, 7, and 8, and leave the long story for a fourth season...or book 12, in the hope that it will have some short stories to throw into the mix (depending entirely it they go chronological order or not again). Book 7 is a full length story, while books 5, 6, and 8 are a collection of short stories. Book 9 and 10 (and 10b/11) are a full length story with multiple paths, so it will be interesting to see animated.
__________________
|
2011-10-02, 11:44 | Link #671 |
iceman
Scanlator
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: CO, USA
|
Maybe KyoAni's idea of trying out something 'new' was Nichijou, where they relied solely on commedy? Perhaps going back to their old style/methods will make things better, such as VN adaptations, moe characters, etc. To take Triple_R Apple example, Apple should just stick with making better smartphones, etc, and not something else like HDTV's, imo.
__________________
|
2011-10-02, 12:12 | Link #672 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
|
Quote:
Spoiler for Long and obsessive:
Episodes mostly based on the manga, with any KyoAni additions mostly being "more of the same" to fill out the episode: 10 Episodes partially based on the manga, with KyoAni changing the focus of/adding significant parts of the plot: 10 Fully original KyoAni episodes: 7
__________________
|
|
2011-10-02, 12:30 | Link #673 |
Sekiroad-Idols Sing Twice
|
Eh...somehow I think Nichijou suffered from the crime of association if it was more of a comedy and less moe'. Its trailer made it look a lot like its "predecessors" when it might have been better off being advertised as something for the general crowd.
4-koma adaptation or not, being slice-of-life-ish and having chibi-ish designs ala Lucky Star and K-On! didn't exactly do it any favors when its actual game was different from those two.
__________________
Last edited by Akito Kinomoto; 2011-10-02 at 12:40. Reason: Clarification |
2011-10-02, 12:34 | Link #674 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
|
Quote:
The companies core business is still publishing and it's most important growth market over the last few years has been light novels. They state in these reports that the media division (turnover less then 20% of the company and not just anime) is a means to develop and promote their properties. Which explains the investment in new high risk content like Nichijou. It will be interesting to see how the show will impact the manga sales. Given that it will be aired on prime time now, I guess they still believe in it, even though it failed to succeed in the late night anime market. It wouldn't be the first time that a show becomes a succes after a failed innitial airing. I agree on the Kyoani myth part. Anyway for more info: http://www.kadokawa-hd.co.jp/ir/annu...nnual_2011.pdf Q1: http://v3.eir-parts.net/EIR/View.asp...df&sid=1626206 |
|
2011-10-02, 12:35 | Link #675 | |
Pretentious moe scholar
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 37
|
Quote:
However, I don't see much hate for Kyoto the past couple years. Rather, it just feels like fans aren't that excited about them anymore. They aren't "the next big thing" like they were for a few years. E8 could very well be a factor in that, but I think its easy to overestimate its importance. You mention Apple. What's notable about Apple's success is that they've kept it up so long. I suspect that a large part of this success is because they've kept release even sexier and more exciting products - iPad, iPhone4, the new Macbook Air, etc. just to name the ones from 2010 on. KyoAni is different - Air and Haruhi blew people away, their subsequent shows have been popular but I don't they've had the same sort of "wow" effect that those shows did. The once exciting KyoAni has simply become the solid and reliable KyoAni - and E8 strikes me as only one part of that equation. Nichijou's lack of success strikes me as a result of what's happened to the reputations of both companies, combined with what's happened elsewhere in the market. KyoAni isn't that exciting anymore, other properties in their targeted genres are (AnoHana, Idolmaster (like I said, the franchise alone guaranteed this would be big), Hanasaku Iroha), and the loyalists are pissed at Kadokawa. For KyoAni to have been as exciting this year as they were a few years back, they would have neded to produce an AnoHana, Idolmaster, or Hanasaku Iroha - and Nichijou was not that show.
__________________
|
|
2011-10-02, 12:52 | Link #676 | ||||||
Japanese Culture Fan
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 33
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
From a marketing perspective, some unlucky factors doomed Nichijou. Was it an inappropriate timeslot? Overpriced BDs? Maybe otaku simply didn't like it? Who knows. But I don't think it was too much ambition, as 0utf0xZer0 says: Quote:
|
||||||
2011-10-02, 13:36 | Link #677 | |
Senior Member
Author
|
Quote:
In fairness, I struggle at times to evaluate KyoAni (and fan perception of them) because it's tricky to tell where Kadokawa ends and KyoAni begins. It's often tricky to tell where credit or blame should go to Kadokawa, and where credit or blame should go to KyoAni. But I think you have a pretty good handle on it.
__________________
|
|
2011-10-02, 14:04 | Link #678 |
On a mission
Author
|
Yea, I really think they have nothing else to bank on and Haruhi's the safest bet to continue, to captialize on the good feelings left by the movie.
My overall impression of Haruhi is still positive, but honestly, I've lost most of my interest in it (and with it, any interest in Kyoto Animation). You can only string people on for so long... If they don't do it within a year or so, Kyoto Animation will just register to me as a studio "that's done a few great shows, but is washed up and no longer relevant."
__________________
|
2011-10-02, 14:53 | Link #679 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
|
Quote:
Pony Canyon and Movic 43,883 2009 K-ON! 39,385 2010 K-ON!! 24,808 2007 Clannad 19,883 2008 Clannad ~After Story~ 18,170 2006 Kanon (2006) 24,436 2005 Air Kadokawa 41,037 2006 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu 29,146 2007 Lucky Star 19,064 2009 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu (2009) 14,641 2009 Suzumiya Haruhi-chan to Nyoron☆Churuya-san *3,500 2011 Nichijou (rough estimate) Upward sales trend for Pony Canyon/Movic productions, downward for Kadokawa. You may be on to something, altough we have to little data to be sure. Will be interesting to see the sales figures for the next TV-series by Pony Canyon/Movic. If those are near or over K-on levels we can blame Kadokawa sales practices, instead of the Kyoani "treatment" losing it's magic. (Note: I left out FMP and Munto, the first was a joint production, the second a Kyoani owned work) |
|
2011-10-02, 21:00 | Link #680 |
This was meaningless
Scanlator
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Not on this site no more.
Age: 36
|
It's interesting how the thought process here seems to be convergent with the discussion on mania's Nichijou thread.
|
Tags |
studios |
Thread Tools | |
|
|