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roriconfan · 2009-08-19, 01:11

Ok, honestly, nobody ever thought the multi-tailed beasts are like a virus? A chakra virus that is. They are pure chakra but need a material host to manifest in the material world. Without one, they don't die, in the same way that energy is never lost but simply turned into another form of energy. So, if the host dies, they are disolved until summoned again into another body. A method that is apparantly very rare and hard, since the Akatsuki never tried to kill the hosts and then simply summon the monster anew.

Im_A_MoP · 2009-08-19, 03:00

If the bijuu were virus's then how is it that kyuubi went onhis trail of destruction without a host. Other bijuu have been known to roam free without a host, such as ummm the sanbi i think. Well back to my original point, the manga points ou that some bijuu had to be hunted down by akatsuki and captured while not in a host, thus nullifying the virus theory.

roriconfan · 2009-08-19, 03:06

The kyuubi was summoned by someone and would disolve if it werent's contained in Naruto. The same thing that happened to all those criters. And the hostless bijuu are not really hostless. They just absorbed their host. Where is that picture showing all of them with their hosts? I saw it in the "What would you change in Naruto" topic.

Im_A_MoP · 2009-08-19, 03:18

Umm i think evry bijuu has had a host at one point in time. But hosts die nd thus biju are released.Kyubi was indeed summoned...but Im pretty sure he wouldn't just dissipate without Naruto. In the story he seems to really want to get out of his container lol. Im pretty sure he doesn't want to get out just to wither away.

roriconfan · 2009-08-19, 03:23

It won't wither away. It will have Naruto's body as it's philactery (as do the Lich in D&D). I don't believe sentient chakra can meterialize without a material component (D&D fashion again)

Im_A_MoP · 2009-08-19, 03:27

Wat is this D&D u speak of????

roriconfan · 2009-08-19, 05:08

Dungeons and Dragons, the D20 pen and paper role playing game.

Im_A_MoP · 2009-08-19, 08:57

lol I have dun research on this D&F and I came to the conclusion that im confused a lil. umm that huge turtle bijuu....the sanbi maybe? He was a huge turtle when the akatsuki caut him. So he couldn't have had a been in a host because he was a huge tutrtle lol.

Mr. Johnny 5 · 2009-08-19, 10:09

Spoiler for manga:

Maikeru- · 2009-08-21, 04:52

kyubi just wants to takeover naruto, lending him some power then attempting to make him use all tails etc.. :P

Monster0 · 2013-03-17, 07:53

Ok this is how it works. It's all about seals,not swimming seals but ninja seals.It gets complicated but you can see how it all works out if you realy want to research all of it.
The host and the tailed beast are fused together by the seals.As long as the seal is in place beast and host are as one,not two,one.When the seal is unlocked then they are seperated.If host dies with locked seal beast dies with him/her.You can go over it with a fine toothed comb now.

JustRob · 2013-03-17, 14:35

I really doubt the Kyuubi dies if Naruto dies.

If that's the case, why not just kill Naruto or Killer Bee? Sure, it would be tragic and an unspeakable horror. But not as horrifying as fighting a war with thousands of casualties. Not as horrifying as the risk of Madara potentially controlling the world.
The 4th Raikage seemed to be pretty confident that if Naruto died, the Kyuubi would eventually return. He said that if he killed Naruto, he could at least delay the enemy's plans.

Also, what about the Sanbi? It was the only bijuu not sealed within a jinchuuriki, and it has to have escaped somehow. Did Akatsuki extact it from Yagura and then let it go? Unlikely. More likely Yagura died and the Sanbi eventually returned in his bijuu form.

I think the reason Kyuubi keeps saving Naruto's butt is because he thought he would eventually be able to take over Naruto or at least control him.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Monster0 · 2013-03-18, 06:12

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Originally Posted by JustRob

I really doubt the Kyuubi dies if Naruto dies.

If that's the case, why not just kill Naruto or Killer Bee? Sure, it would be tragic and an unspeakable horror. But not as horrifying as fighting a war with thousands of casualties. Not as horrifying as the risk of Madara potentially controlling the world.
The 4th Raikage seemed to be pretty confident that if Naruto died, the Kyuubi would eventually return. He said that if he killed Naruto, he could at least delay the enemy's plans.

Also, what about the Sanbi? It was the only bijuu not sealed within a jinchuuriki, and it has to have escaped somehow. Did Akatsuki extact it from Yagura and then let it go? Unlikely. More likely Yagura died and the Sanbi eventually returned in his bijuu form.

I think the reason Kyuubi keeps saving Naruto's butt is because he thought he would eventually be able to take over Naruto or at least control him. And right now, he saves his butt because he'd rather be controlled by Naruto then by Madara.

Why not just kill Naruto and Killer Bee.I think people been trying to kill them,they just fail.Sure you can extract the tailed beast killing the host and not the Bijuu.The Akatsuki was doing that to all the jinchuriki.Now ask yourself how they were doing this and then refer to my previous post.Thank you. I may be wrong but Yagura i believe unlocked his seal freeing the Sanbi.

JustRob · 2013-03-18, 06:47

You believe Yagura unlocked the seal, but there's nothing to support that. It's just as likely that he died and his bijuu was released. Especially since the Raikage says that the Kyuubi would eventually return if he killed Naruto.

I don't see why you're bringing Akatsuki into this. If the beast is extracted, the jinchuuriki dies. So what? That's a whole different thing altogether.

Monster0 · 2013-03-18, 17:26

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Originally Posted by JustRob

You believe Yagura unlocked the seal, but there's nothing to support that. It's just as likely that he died and his bijuu was released. Especially since the Raikage says that the Kyuubi would eventually return if he killed Naruto.

I don't see why you're bringing Akatsuki into this. If the beast is extracted, the jinchuuriki dies. So what? That's a whole different thing altogether.

What does the Akatsuki have to do with this?They teach us that if you want Bijuu chakra you better not kill the host.Raikage was not woriied about the 9tails running amuck because it would lets say pass on with Naruto.In the Naruto world things can be resurrected,yes.Are the tailed beast basically chakra or souls manifested as physical beings,yes.
When a tailed beast is sealed into a host their souls or chakra are fussed.When the Akasuki extracted the beast(made of chakra)the chakra of the host went with it still fussed.Granny Chio seperrated Garas chakra from Shinkaku.Then when the fight Naruto/Bee vs Obito/Jinchuriki we don't see Shinkaku .He has passed on, no longer manifested as a tailed beast just part of the Gedo statue.

Spoiler for spoiler:

oompa loompa · 2013-03-19, 14:18

Cos Naruto's a peach of a fellow. Wouldn't you want to help the little fellar?

Sasukemaru · 2013-03-23, 19:10

It has been plainly stated by the raikage, he could kill naruto to slow down tobi but the 9 tails would eventually return anyway. Do you think the current jinchurriki are the first ones or something? Many have lived and died. The bijuu do not die with them, at least not permanently. The previous containers for the 8 tails all proved to weak to control it, they died, and the hachibi returned to attack the village.

The answer to why the 9 tails helped naruto when his back was against the wall is as obvious as it is simplistic...

Naruto is the main character, therefore he can't die. When faced against a superior opponent or dangerous situation he is given a kyuubi power up. It's a plot device to keep the story progressing and interesting.

All of you are completely over thinking this and not seeing the obvious.

One more thing...Bijuu do not have bodies to destroy, they are giant masses of chakra. That is manga fact, just is their immortality.

Monster0 · 2013-03-24, 07:37

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Originally Posted by Sasukemaru

It has been plainly stated by the raikage, he could kill naruto to slow down tobi but the 9 tails would eventually return anyway. Do you think the current jinchurriki are the first ones or something? Many have lived and died. The bijuu do not die with them, at least not permanently. The previous containers for the 8 tails all proved to weak to control it, they died, and the hachibi returned to attack the village.

The answer to why the 9 tails helped naruto when his back was against the wall is as obvious as it is simplistic...

Naruto is the main character, therefore he can't die. When faced against a superior opponent or dangerous situation he is given a kyuubi power up. It's a plot device to keep the story progressing and interesting.

All of you are completely over thinking this and not seeing the obvious.

One more thing...Bijuu do not have bodies to destroy, they are giant masses of chakra. That is manga fact, just is their immortality.

As i said originally the fate of the kyuubi's life force depends on the state of the Ninja seal. It's about the seals, previous Jinchuuriki that have died while being the jinchuuriki had their seals released, lossened,opened. Don't you remember the big ceremony they had for the 8tails they were doing ninja sealing stuff to control the whereabouts of the 8tails. And your right in the Naruto world death is not the same as real world death.Even humans can return , so nobody dies(the way we know death) their souls just go somewhere else.

Monster0 · 2013-03-31, 09:05

I'm sorry for going on and on but the post i put here are annoying me cause they are not my answer to the question of Kurama motivation for helping.

Spoiler for manga:

itachi-san314 · 2013-03-31, 11:44

Spoiler for manga:

2009-08-19, 03:00	Link #222
Im_A_MoP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: candyland o_O Age: 32	lol roricon If the bijuu were virus's then how is it that kyuubi went onhis trail of destruction without a host. Other bijuu have been known to roam free without a host, such as ummm the sanbi i think. Well back to my original point, the manga points ou that some bijuu had to be hunted down by akatsuki and captured while not in a host, thus nullifying the virus theory.

2009-08-19, 03:18	Link #224
Im_A_MoP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: candyland o_O Age: 32	lol rori Umm i think evry bijuu has had a host at one point in time. But hosts die nd thus biju are released.Kyubi was indeed summoned...but Im pretty sure he wouldn't just dissipate without Naruto. In the story he seems to really want to get out of his container lol. Im pretty sure he doesn't want to get out just to wither away.

2009-08-19, 08:57	Link #228
Im_A_MoP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: candyland o_O Age: 32	lol I have dun research on this D&F and I came to the conclusion that im confused a lil. umm that huge turtle bijuu....the sanbi maybe? He was a huge turtle when the akatsuki caut him. So he couldn't have had a been in a host because he was a huge tutrtle lol. Last edited by Im_A_MoP; 2009-08-19 at 15:02. Reason: gdam spellin errors

2009-08-19, 10:09	Link #229
Mr. Johnny 5 Konoha's ANBU Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 38	Spoiler for manga: I think it was revealed in the manga Spoiler for manga possible answer to this thread: The 4th stated that there was one controlling the Kyuubi. At the time i think that the 4th wasnt sure that it was Uchiha Madara but when he fought him there was no way to defeat him. He couldnt be killed or brought down without some sort of special power. Probably because of his own fear of the village safety he sealed it inside Naruto "his own son" to eventually fight this character hoping the Kyuubi would give him the power he needed to kill or defeat that man. That was his reason for sealing the Kyuubi inside Naruto. He believed he could master or control it. If you ask me. The 4th simply couldn't kill the Kyuubi either. It was his only option for a mystikal beast that simply heals all the time. If you ask me the Kyuubi is no different from Majin Buu except that no one has the power that of a nuke to completely destroy his body like Buu. It is massive afterall compared to that of ninja's. __________________

2009-08-21, 04:52	Link #230
Maikeru- Member Graphic Designer Join Date: Jan 2009	kyubi just wants to takeover naruto, lending him some power then attempting to make him use all tails etc.. :P __________________

2009-08-19, 01:11	Link #221
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	Ok, honestly, nobody ever thought the multi-tailed beasts are like a virus? A chakra virus that is. They are pure chakra but need a material host to manifest in the material world. Without one, they don't die, in the same way that energy is never lost but simply turned into another form of energy. So, if the host dies, they are disolved until summoned again into another body. A method that is apparantly very rare and hard, since the Akatsuki never tried to kill the hosts and then simply summon the monster anew.

2009-08-19, 03:06	Link #223
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	The kyuubi was summoned by someone and would disolve if it werent's contained in Naruto. The same thing that happened to all those criters. And the hostless bijuu are not really hostless. They just absorbed their host. Where is that picture showing all of them with their hosts? I saw it in the "What would you change in Naruto" topic.

2009-08-19, 03:23	Link #225
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	It won't wither away. It will have Naruto's body as it's philactery (as do the Lich in D&D). I don't believe sentient chakra can meterialize without a material component (D&D fashion again)

2009-08-19, 03:27	Link #226
Im_A_MoP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: candyland o_O Age: 32	Wat is this D&D u speak of????

2009-08-19, 05:08	Link #227
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	Dungeons and Dragons, the D20 pen and paper role playing game.

2013-03-17, 07:53	Link #231
Monster0 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Rochester NY	Ok this is how it works. It's all about seals,not swimming seals but ninja seals.It gets complicated but you can see how it all works out if you realy want to research all of it. The host and the tailed beast are fused together by the seals.As long as the seal is in place beast and host are as one,not two,one.When the seal is unlocked then they are seperated.If host dies with locked seal beast dies with him/her.You can go over it with a fine toothed comb now.

2013-03-17, 14:35	Link #232
JustRob Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	I really doubt the Kyuubi dies if Naruto dies. If that's the case, why not just kill Naruto or Killer Bee? Sure, it would be tragic and an unspeakable horror. But not as horrifying as fighting a war with thousands of casualties. Not as horrifying as the risk of Madara potentially controlling the world. The 4th Raikage seemed to be pretty confident that if Naruto died, the Kyuubi would eventually return. He said that if he killed Naruto, he could at least delay the enemy's plans. Also, what about the Sanbi? It was the only bijuu not sealed within a jinchuuriki, and it has to have escaped somehow. Did Akatsuki extact it from Yagura and then let it go? Unlikely. More likely Yagura died and the Sanbi eventually returned in his bijuu form. I think the reason Kyuubi keeps saving Naruto's butt is because he thought he would eventually be able to take over Naruto or at least control him. Spoiler for spoiler: And right now, he saves his butt because he'd rather be controlled by Naruto then by Madara. __________________ The betrayal you can see is trivial. What is truly fearsome, is the betrayal you don't see. Last edited by Hunter; 2013-03-20 at 21:16.

2013-03-18, 06:47	Link #234
JustRob Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	You believe Yagura unlocked the seal, but there's nothing to support that. It's just as likely that he died and his bijuu was released. Especially since the Raikage says that the Kyuubi would eventually return if he killed Naruto. I don't see why you're bringing Akatsuki into this. If the beast is extracted, the jinchuuriki dies. So what? That's a whole different thing altogether. __________________ The betrayal you can see is trivial. What is truly fearsome, is the betrayal you don't see.

2013-03-19, 14:18	Link #236
oompa loompa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 28° 37', North ; 77° 13', East Age: 33	Cos Naruto's a peach of a fellow. Wouldn't you want to help the little fellar?

2013-03-23, 19:10	Link #237
Sasukemaru Banned Join Date: Dec 2011	It has been plainly stated by the raikage, he could kill naruto to slow down tobi but the 9 tails would eventually return anyway. Do you think the current jinchurriki are the first ones or something? Many have lived and died. The bijuu do not die with them, at least not permanently. The previous containers for the 8 tails all proved to weak to control it, they died, and the hachibi returned to attack the village. The answer to why the 9 tails helped naruto when his back was against the wall is as obvious as it is simplistic... Naruto is the main character, therefore he can't die. When faced against a superior opponent or dangerous situation he is given a kyuubi power up. It's a plot device to keep the story progressing and interesting. All of you are completely over thinking this and not seeing the obvious. One more thing...Bijuu do not have bodies to destroy, they are giant masses of chakra. That is manga fact, just is their immortality.

2013-03-31, 09:05	Link #239
Monster0 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Rochester NY	I'm sorry for going on and on but the post i put here are annoying me cause they are not my answer to the question of Kurama motivation for helping. Spoiler for manga: Kurama says anything is better then being controlled by Madara,which is partly true.But Kurama likes saying mean stuff like "i am hate itself",we know he doesn't mean it.Kurama is actually the most lovable and cuddly of tailed beast.Kurama believes in Naruto . Last edited by Hunter; 2013-03-31 at 18:32.

2013-03-31, 11:44	Link #240
itachi-san314 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	Spoiler for manga: ^aren't you answering your own question? kurama's motivation is to prevent madara from winning and taking control of him again and to not be reintegrated into the juubi. and kurama now believes in naruto. what other explanation is needed here?