Kimi no Iru Machi (A Town Where You Live)

[Nemuru]

Originally Posted by Mentar

*shrug*

It was you who complained about how illogical the Tokyo arc was. I say it wasn't, and yeah, I considered Yuzuki's actions in Tokyo to be admirable. Whether or not you want to debate the point is up to you.

I did complain but at the same time its been done before and you were there also, it would be better to just re-read old post. Beside you can call it arrogrance but I have an idea what your going to say this comming from reading every single post in this thread although I believe you're not going to add anything new.

@141

Spoiler for manga:

sounds interesting. ^^, at least there is more drama that isn't something from an american soap opera.

Originally Posted by Recover

What would "save" this series in my mind is if Yuzuki pulls some utterly charming shit for the next 10 chapters to make readers fall in love with her until the very end. Of course Haruto will need to acquire a set of nuts to complement such development.

She doesn't need to lol, she already has half the support of the KniM readers ^^, I see no point in trying to please the hater... when they're going to hate regardless of any development.

[vansonbee]

Everything over in 1 chapter lolz

So the series is ending early I guess

Sad how it tried to protray Eba the victim and Asuka the antagonist

[Mentar]

Feel the hate

Okay - just curious. What could Haruto and Eba have done to make you happier?

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Mentar

What could Haruto and Eba have done to make you happier?

To have actual development.

I mean, i wouldn't call..

"HEY HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE."

"HEY I STILL LOVE YOU."

"OH WAIT SO DO I."

"LET'S BREAK UP."

That development.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

To have actual development.

That was a null reply. Besides, they clearly had actual development. So, you're Haruto, returning from the date. What would you have done? What should Yuzuki have done?

[DanielSong39]

All breakups are messy and it's not easy to do it right. But here are some things he could've done:

(1) Break up with Asuka immediately.
(2) Refrain from dating Eba for the time being.
(3) Graduate from college.
(4) Get a job.
(5) Court Eba when he's mature enough to think in terms of marriage and family, as opposed to an ongoing soap opera.

This may not be as entertaining a read, but that's how you're supposed to do things.

[Waven]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

Spoiler for reaction to the latest spoiler:

lol, I don't know what to say anymore....depending on the tone of the actual chapter, the spoiler makes me feel that Eba and Haruto decide to go on the route "us against the world"...perhaps that will make them feel better since they think whole world is out against them and now they are the "victims"??...

I probably have my biased glass on since I am still in rage mode regarding to the latest chapter ...sounds like an interesting chapter XD

Spoiler for :

I don't think they' re presented as victims in this nor do they think they are. As I see it they clearly don't like the situation they're in seeing how most of their friends turn against them and given how they respond to it they know they (the two) are to blame. Once Haruto sorted out his feelings he saw there was no turning back. The thing is everyone would suffer even more if Asuka and Haruto stayed together... yes, even and especially Asuka, after all she knowingly would live a lie - staying in a relationship while having an unrequited love, that is what would've really destroyed her.

The whole situation was messed up from the start, Haruto genuinely believed he'd reciprocate Asuka's feelings only to find out that his feelings for Eba were still much stronger, that's bad luck for all parties but that's also how love works, it's not fair, not rational, just completely arbitrary. So despite all his failings in mitigation this could've never been solved smoothly anyway.

This may sound cheesy but at this point you could even say KNIM is posing the question about how far one would go for what he/she thinks is their true love. Is it worth hurting someone? Is it worth losing most of your close friends? Ofc there's no correct answer, such decisions are a two-pathed gamble.

Originally Posted by vansonbee

...
Sad how it tried to protray Eba the victim and Asuka the antagonist

... Oh wow, you have to explain to me in detail how you compose this.

[KLGChaos]

@spoiler for 141

Spoiler:

I'm impressed. I half expected Seo to sweep it all under the rug, but it looks like Haruto's friends are quite upset with him for what he's done. Kiyomi won't look at him, Takashi won't follow him, Akari threatens to not be his friend if he doesn't make up with Asuka, and Nanami calls out Eba on whether or not it feels good to steal someone else's happiness (in this case, again). Looks like Haruto doesn't really care if he loses everything for Eba and is even quite callous about it... man, they've both definitely got some major issues. And Haruto continues to look worse chapter and chapter. And the spoiler makes Eba almost sound Yandere in the end... nothing matters as long as she's with the guy she likes... that's something Yuno herself would say. Lol.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

All breakups are messy and it's not easy to do it right. But here are some things he could've done:

(1) Break up with Asuka immediately.

I'd give him at least that. Obviously this was nothing do be done on the train ride with all the friends around. When they were alone again, he took the opportunity. What I have to criticize here was the insensitivity, and his lack of preparation and consideration for Asuka. The least he could have done was explaining things.

(2) Refrain from dating Eba for the time being.
(3) Graduate from college.
(4) Get a job.
(5) Court Eba when he's mature enough to think in terms of marriage and family, as opposed to an ongoing soap opera.

And that would helped how? You think that this would have made Asuka any happier? Or would that have made him into a better person?

This may not be as entertaining a read, but that's how you're supposed to do things.

Well, there are differing opinions here.

[katsudon]

wow... wow.... i'm speechless... i guess i'll grab the raws and read it myself.

[Raynor]

Spoiler for 141:

Funny how his friends would rather him string Asuka along even though he doesn't love her like he does Yuzuki. Really shows how all his friends have never been in a relationship lol.

[katsudon]

Originally Posted by Raynor

Spoiler for 141:

Funny how his friends would rather him string Asuka along even though he doesn't love her like he does Yuzuki. Really shows how all his friends have never been in a relationship lol.

probably because of how 'stable' they think the relationship was for 2 years and then it just suddenly ended without knowing that

even thou haruto said he doesn't love eba as much anymore a few chapters back. but i guess at 50% less is still still more then he ever loved asuaka....

[User68604]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

All breakups are messy and it's not easy to do it right. But here are some things he could've done:

(1) Break up with Asuka immediately.
(2) Refrain from dating Eba for the time being.
(3) Graduate from college.
(4) Get a job.
(5) Court Eba when he's mature enough to think in terms of marriage and family, as opposed to an ongoing soap opera.

This may not be as entertaining a read, but that's how you're supposed to do things.

This!

Incoming spoilers for Ichigo 100%

Spoiler:

That is why, even though Manaka was frustrating for most of the series, he manned up towards the end. He he loved and wanted to be with Nishino yet he knew that in his current state, he was not somebody fit to be with her.

His "departure," maturation, during the time-skip is what allowed him to redeem himself in my eyes. He risked losing the girl he loved.

Right now in KNIM, it feels like Haruto is going to go right back to Eba, without any true character development. What has he learned?

To not string a girl along for 2 years? Ok...what else?

[DanielSong39]

Originally Posted by Mentar

I'd give him at least that. Obviously this was nothing do be done on the train ride with all the friends around. When they were alone again, he took the opportunity. What I have to criticize here was the insensitivity, and his lack of preparation and consideration for Asuka. The least he could have done was explaining things.



And that would helped how? You think that this would have made Asuka any happier? Or would that have made him into a better person?



Well, there are differing opinions here.

Here is how I see things.

Haruto wanted to get back together with Eba, but he wasn't sure whether she would accept him as a boyfriend. So he wanted to keep Asuka around as a backup plan just in case. I can see his thought process:

(1) If Eba accepts me, I break up with Asuka and date Eba.
(2) If Eba rejects me, I stay with Asuka. Yeah, she's not as good as Eba but she's OK and it's better than being alone.
(3) If Eba keeps me in limbo, I keep Asuka in limbo until something happens. I can half-date both girls until Eba makes up her mind or Asuka dumps me.

This is very consistent with his thoughts and what actually happened. That's why people think Haruto is wishy-washy, despicable, and totally mishandled the break-up. He was playing games with two girls' hearts and was only thinking of himself.

Compare that with the resolution of the love triangle(s) in Good Ending, and you should be able to see why people are getting the pitchforks out for Haruto while they have much more sympathy for Seiji.

Personally I think dealing with relationships before you're ready for marriage and family is like playing with fire. You might get away with it sometimes, but at some point you're going to get burned.

[katsudon]

also, something to consider, it seems like maybe Auska was keeping a distance from haruto and tried not have any progress in their relationship since she knows him well and ... well... going into it too far would turn this into an obligation for haruto.

[SoFarGone]

lol for the people that follow basketball doesn't this remind you of Lebron James?

[DanielSong39]

Lebron James comes up a quarter short of a dollar while Haruto comes up a dollar short.

He reminds me more of Mike Bibby - he sits on the bench most of the time and spends the rest of the time clanking long-range bombs.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Here is how I see things.

Haruto wanted to get back together with Eba, but he wasn't sure whether she would accept him as a boyfriend. So he wanted to keep Asuka around as a backup plan just in case.

Reads great, except that this is not what happened. We've had lots of inner dialogue from Haruto, but not one that would indicate anything like this: (if you disagree, please be so kind to give references)

I can see his thought process:

(1) If Eba accepts me, I break up with Asuka and date Eba.
(2) If Eba rejects me, I stay with Asuka. Yeah, she's not as good as Eba but she's OK and it's better than being alone.
(3) If Eba keeps me in limbo, I keep Asuka in limbo until something happens. I can half-date both girls until Eba makes up her mind or Asuka dumps me.

This is very consistent with his thoughts and what actually happened.

This is absolutely inconsistent with his thoughts. He never thought ANYTHING like this. As I said, please give references.

Compare that with the resolution of the love triangle(s) in Good Ending, and you should be able to see why people are getting the pitchforks out for Haruto while they have much more sympathy for Seiji.

Seiji is a well-meaning, clumsy and inexperienced kid with no malicious bone in his body. That makes for a difficult target to hate. KNIM has gone on for much longer and has a more serious setting.

Personally I think dealing with relationships before you're ready for marriage and family is like playing with fire. You might get away with it sometimes, but at some point you're going to get burned.

Well, he got burned, more than once. However, just running away in this situation and doing the "only look for relationships when you're set to marry" is no mature way to deal (or more precisely, to run away from dealing) with the issue, imho.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

To have actual development.

I mean, i wouldn't call..

"HEY HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE."

"HEY I STILL LOVE YOU."

"OH WAIT SO DO I."

"LET'S BREAK UP."

That development.

Meeting up with her pre-skip resurfaced those feelings a little and seeing her recently did it even more. I know first hand how feelings can resurface after quite some time, although they aren't as strong as love, but for story's sake, I'll accept the love. Plus Yuzuki was herself around Haruto this time around, so that reminded him of when she first moved in and everything.

[justavisitor]

Originally Posted by Waven

Spoiler for :

I don't think they' re presented as victims in this nor do they think they are. As I see it they clearly don't like the situation they're in seeing how most of their friends turn against them and given how they respond to it they know they (the two) are to blame. Once Haruto sorted out his feelings he saw there was no turning back. The thing is everyone would suffer even more if Asuka and Haruto stayed together... yes, even and especially Asuka, after all she knowingly would live a lie - staying in a relationship while having an unrequited love, that is what would've really destroyed her.

Agree that Asuka would suffer more if they manage to stay together...Asuka knows that he doesn't love her so that's no point to stay anyway

And since the whole thing has become a mess, any decision Haruto is going to make should at least be loyal to his real intention...another lie would hurt everyone much much more...

it's just that I don't like the part where he changes his heart too fast (within two days)...or maybe he hasn't changed his feeling at all since the Tokyo arc (which should be obvious by now )...don't understand why he is so obsessed with Eba...maybe it's because they never really start a real relationship (he couldn't really feel that he had a gf in that long-distance relationship) and the fact that it was Eba who dumped him