2011-10-19, 07:04 | Link #801 |
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Jesus guys when will Japan stop making generic anime, can't they realize no one wants to see Beta MC in Code Gayass season3235 already?
Arguably it's more mature than CG but at least it wasn't trying to be deeper than it was, the director wants to make this his 'personal GitS', but it lacks anything close to resembling the themes that GitS explores, although I admit it's nearly got the setting down. The feel is pretty good, they built good atmosphere with the music and visuals. The archetypical 'girl meets high school boy and he acquires powers though is completely pointless. The whole 'using your friends as weapons' shit doesn't really build theme either or tie into anything at all. Unless of course there's a lot of betrayals and all among characters regarding their friends trusts and all, but the protagonist's monologues and dialogue was mostly to do with his initiative to take opportunities in life and all. We've already seen this idea expanded on much better, in Neon Genesis Evangelion it was the pretty much whole point of the anime, and in more contemporary times, last year's Tatami Galaxy provided us with a different answer. But Guilty Crown brings nothing new to the table. It is pure, gimmicky shit. |
2011-10-19, 09:12 | Link #802 |
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Everyone keep saying "generic" this, generic this blablabla
but in fact not in every season you can see this kind of mega project... Sure you already see these kind of show before, mecha... school setting blablabla.. but the fact is this show appear like once in every what? once in every 2-3 years? People must realize this kind of gimmick is the number one favourite for "popcorn hits" for otakus/casual anime watcher. Its like mandatory doze of superheroes movie in Hollywood. I'm not the biggest fan of premise either, but this "generic shit" ranting from the elitist is tiring. Just don't watch it, just one glance to poster/screenshot/whatever is enough to tell you what kind of show is this, popcorn hits with all kind of gimmicks. If you can't enjoy it because its too cheap for you, just stay away from it. Btw tbh watching the 1st eps is kinda painful for me, the script is dull n the pacing is awkward. but when I watch it for the second time without wearing my critics goggles, its very different experience... the show is more fun than I thought, the awkward pacing became entertaining because its speed, many eye candy there, etc. This show is much better if you watch it just for fun.
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2011-10-19, 12:54 | Link #803 |
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I don't know about "generic," but I have now watched this episode five times with great enjoyment. It has something about it that I associate with Shinbou: a kind of rhythm to the way scenes and sounds and images roll out. Maybe we've seen versions of these events before, but the way they are doing them here is excellent, it seems to me.
I realized partway through watching it again yesterday that details of so-called "realism" are not what count here. It's true our hero jumps from angst to action pretty quickly (although still within reason, in my opinion), and acts rashly. But his role is to be our emotional vehicle, carrying us from a feeling of angst to this confused triumph. As with a lot of popular literature, it's the emotional trajectory that counts for me, not the plot details. I can easily accept the set pieces, like Gai's arrival or drawing the sword, for their power, rather than rejecting them for details of realism or resemblance to some other show. Of course, I've always thought that anime does fantasy and ideal better than it does real. The incredible character design of Inori helps, too. We can wonder whether she would be really wearing an outfit like that, but that outfit -- and her character design overall -- helps make her the magical being she is (so far). And chelly's singing and Kayano Ai's voice help. Kayanon's tight way of saying "hito" in "okubyo na hito" (cowardly person) is fantastic, like a drill reaching both his shame and his lust at the same time.
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2011-10-19, 13:29 | Link #804 | |
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GitS has "legs". It's popular in Japan and the US. The original movie spawned 2 TV series, 2 theatricals and people are pinning still for a third series. Commercially speaking, I'd want to be the one that produces another "GitS" too if I was him.
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2011-10-19, 13:34 | Link #805 | |
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Just like Yamakan is never going to be the savior of anime. Both of these directors should learn something about humility, and that the best let their work speak for them, not their mouths.
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2011-10-19, 14:45 | Link #806 | |
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2011-10-19, 14:49 | Link #807 |
Hyakko Fanboy
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I think what Araki meant is he want GC became his breakout title, not he wanting GC became the next GiTS.
Yeah Araki does need breakout title, he's already well-known director at this point but he not yet there on "elite" talk. Kinda like Shinbo before Bake, he's famous and have follower but hits title make him fly to higher stratosphere. I think that is what Araki implying. And yeah, if GC manage to hit big homerun.. no matter there is many skeptic opinion around it, Araki only gonna get better reputation.
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2011-10-19, 14:50 | Link #808 |
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If an anime Director is sincerely inspired by a previous anime work, and he's trying to make his anime be one similar to it, then I don't see why he shouldn't be honest about it.
To me, it's simple a matter of shooting straight with your anime's fans and viewers, and it doesn't necessarily require a huge ego. Honestly, I'd rather anime Directors be up-front about the material that helps to inspire their works, from other anime shows to books to live-action movies to whatever.
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2011-10-19, 15:35 | Link #809 | |
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The first episode did what it's suppose to do. Make me want to see the second, and hopefully it fills in plot, and such, and makes me interested in the world. It's like people love being dismissive over things, so they go out of their way to point out faults in a show. Obviously if you watch a show like that, you aren't going to enjoy the actual show, because all you're doing is an analytical approach to a show, like you would a book for a book report, where you have some english teacher telling you to appreciate the deep metaphorical values inherent in some passage, and since it's for a grade, you're unable to enjoy the book itself, but instead spend your hours writing over it, highlighting and "schematize" it. But that is a whole other story. |
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2011-10-19, 15:37 | Link #810 | |
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But to re-emphasize something others have said, it is true we only have 1 ep thus far. Maybe things will become clearer (for better or for worse) as eps go along....
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2011-10-19, 16:12 | Link #811 | |
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2011-10-19, 16:13 | Link #812 |
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People make it seem like those people who were critical of the episode didn't enjoy what they saw or are already tossing this anime in the garbage bin. Chill. No one really is going that crazy over it so no need to beat up invisible forces or strawmans.
I don't exactly sit there taking notes during a show and marking off points every time I see something that doesn't fit my criteria of quality. I watch it, have a reaction to it, good or bad, then try to reason out why I felt that way. Being critical, or trying to reason out your likes or dislikes doesn't inhibit or limit one's enjoyment. Understand that.
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2011-10-19, 16:52 | Link #814 | |
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The only problem is people that behave like elitist, bashing bout this is cheap blahblahblah Hell the cheapness is the premise, so why its need to mentioned over and over again with massive ranting. Its typical bashing from "classy" people that like oscar movies, classy music, to popcorn movies or the recent mtv hits. This kind of "critic" is totally useless, even people that like it know these kind of stuff is "cheap" but they enjoy it anyway.
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2011-10-19, 16:56 | Link #816 |
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Before I forget (apologies if it has already been asked and answered btw) ... does anyone know the official release date of the "Euterpe" song which was at the beginning of Ep 1?
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2011-10-19, 17:10 | Link #817 | ||
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For example in Hollywood I'd really have to roll my eyes at anyone who didn't think movies like Noland's The Dark Knight or Inception were not much better pieces of entertainment than something like Iron Man II or "Insert random bad blockbuster here." Guilty Crown is representative of what a summer "hollywood" blockbuster movie is like, but it's also possible to have better standards for which provides the better what I like to call "light" entertainment.
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2011-10-19, 17:23 | Link #818 |
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Hm, I was there during the Q&A, I remember him saying he wanted the feel of GITS and Eden of the East but I recall the context being in terms of scenery. He said there will be similarities between those two, and it isn't really such a problem with him making homages and imitating a certain style right? I thought the first episode was kinda neat, but the second episode felt a little better, I think it was a good idea to show both episodes in the screening.
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