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SilverSyko · 2011-09-26, 21:22

Does destroying a mech count as a kill if you're doing a pacifist run?

I always wondered that...

Stiletto · 2011-09-26, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Well in the real world, you just blinked and go "Oh, Okay..."

"That's one way to do it I guess..."

Bah, sorry. I have a tendency of saying weird things on impulse. It amused me.

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

The first time I had to fight a mech I panicked because I didn't carry any heavy weapons with me. As I desperately searched my inventory for a way to save Malik, I noticed this weird blue colored object at the corner of my screen.

EMP Grenade.

Never leave home without it.

Exactly how I did it.

Spoiler for spoiler:

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Does destroying a mech count as a kill if you're doing a pacifist run?

I always wondered that...

Don't take any chances. I think logically it would. Considering.. you know, the whole 'destroy' thing. Or maybe they follow the same rule as the Tyrant trio.

SilverSyko · 2011-09-26, 21:31

Logically I'd think it wouldn't considering it's a robot. Their lives don't mean anything to them and it's not like they can atone themselves nor have anything to live for.

But if it does then that's probably why I didn't get the trophy for it. I didn't have the augment to shut down robots through hacking in that hangar so I had no choice but to EMP their asses.

There was also one human enemy who died through a proximity mine too, but it wasn't even one I placed myself. If I lost it because of that then that's kind of unfair.

Stiletto · 2011-09-26, 21:36

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Logically I'd think it wouldn't considering it's a robot. Their lives don't mean anything to them and it's not like they can atone themselves or have anything to live for.

But if it does then that's probably why I didn't get the trophy for it. I didn't have the augment to shut down robots through hacking in that hangar so I had no choice but to EMP their asses.

There was one human enemy who died through a proximity mine too, but it wasn't even one I placed myself. If I lost it because of that then that's kind of unfair.

So sorry, then! Because guess what? Be anywhere near someone's death and it's counted against you.

I ruined my pacifist run too, so don't feel too bad. Shit happen. Gas grenade and tranq. rifle is your best bet Syko. I'd also remember where the proximity mines are. Throwing stuff like barrels, boxes, etc will trigger them. And no one will die. The worst is you'll get ALARMED status for a minute or so.

Decagon · 2011-09-27, 00:08

The mech attacking Malik is safe to kill; I destroyed it on my pacifist run. Be sure to double check the people you put down though. Sometimes they just die, especially from crossfire/mech rocket splash.

Keroko · 2011-09-27, 10:47

Also be very careful that the explosion from the exploding mech doesn't take out any soldiers.

liquidmetal · 2011-09-27, 23:08

Just finished it and really enjoyed it. Wish you could have slapped

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Alchemist007 · 2011-09-28, 16:52

This is a really annoying and shitty habit from devs/pubs, I just saw the Tong's extra mission for $2.99 on Steam. So ****s who preordered ONLY from certain asshole retailers get it for free? I preordered it too ffs, why should I have to pay for this crap just because it wasn't from Lamestop? Seriously, screw them, and screw anyone else who does this.

Nightengale · 2011-09-28, 23:27

I haven't completed the whole game yet, but if there's one 'flaw' I feel particularly irked in HR ( there are many minor things, but it's been said before or negligible ), it's the fact that it really feels as if one or one-and-a-half hubs were cancelled in development.

After Hengsha, it felt like they only kept the lean meat of what they had in mind or could had offered in a wider scope... focusing entirely on the pace of the plot development after that.

I really really wanted Montreal to be a whole hub... and Upper Hengsha to be accessible.

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

This is a really annoying and shitty habit from devs/pubs, I just saw the Tong's extra mission for $2.99 on Steam. So ****s who preordered ONLY from certain asshole retailers get it for free? I preordered it too ffs, why should I have to pay for this crap just because it wasn't from Lamestop? Seriously, screw them, and screw anyone else who does this.

The mission's not worth it to begin with. There's absolutely nothing interesting about that mission at all other than a little bit of Tracer trivia and a reference to Deus Ex.

Ryonea · 2011-09-29, 00:08

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Originally Posted by Nightengale

I haven't completed the whole game yet, but if there's one 'flaw' I feel particularly irked in HR ( there are many minor things, but it's been said before or negligible ), it's the fact that it really feels as if one or one-and-a-half hubs were cancelled in development.

After Hengsha, it felt like they only kept the lean meat of what they had in mind or could had offered in a wider scope... focusing entirely on the pace of the plot development after that.

I really really wanted Montreal to be a whole hub... and Upper Hengsha to be accessible.

Actually both Montreal and Upper Hengsha was planned to be a complete hub:
http://kotaku.com/5837308/deus-ex-wa...be-even-bigger

I guess if they did it, the game would eat much more HDD space. Not that I mind about it, though.

TrueKnight · 2011-09-29, 09:56

Fantastic game but the ending sucked balls imho.

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What I read though, is that Squeenix forced the team to rush with the development due to tight deadline, resulting Eidos had to haste the entire damn thing into an incomplete and wtf endings..Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong....

Sheba · 2011-09-30, 12:04

It's true that the game felt "rushed".

The original Deus EX had, iirc

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Waven · 2011-09-30, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Sheba

It's true that the game felt "rushed".

The original Deus EX had, iirc

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True enough, there was much more content quantity-wise, you can say that about older games in general, especially in the FPS genre. I wonder if that's the result of the change of the gaming industry (like shorter times of production (unconfirmed) , publishers on the developers' tails) or if it's just the higher complexity of modern games. I tend to believe it's the latter. After all, development teams are much bigger these days as well as ever-increasing budgets ... and I'm not talking about marketing expenses here.

Still, I would've loved to have more hubs of course. However, if they really put in the other hubs as they originally planned (Montreal, upper Hengsha, unnamed Indian City) with the same quality of atmosphere, immersiveness, freedom of choice and basically everything that made this game so good, then it's safe to say that we would have had to wait for at least another year for a release.

SoldierOfDarkness · 2011-09-30, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Sheba

It's true that the game felt "rushed".

The original Deus EX had, iirc

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From what I heard though a lot of the layouts were exactly the same.

Key Board · 2011-10-01, 00:15

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Originally Posted by TrueKnight

Fantastic game but the ending sucked balls imho.

What I read though, is that Squeenix forced the team to rush with the development due to tight deadline, resulting Eidos had to haste the entire damn thing into an incomplete and wtf endings..Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong....

You heard that from a disgruntled Deux Ex fanboy wanting to put the blame on someone. He was particularly upset because Deus Ex HR was nothing like the original Deus Ex. Everything about it is just so watered down and "console-lized" to him.

In his anger, he put the blame on Square Enix. It makes sense to him. A foreign devil company messing up good Western games, especially since Japanese games can't innovate anything! So he posted his thoughts on a forum, and then he went to his facebook profile later on to comment how the recent nuclear incident in Japan is a punishment from God over Pearl Harbour.

JC... · 2011-10-01, 07:27

Eidos was making the game for four years, it'd be a stretch to continue on for longer, though it would've produced a more complete game. Square wasn't with them from the start.

The original was also unfinished, they essentially cut a third of what would've been in the game.

Sheba · 2011-10-01, 10:33

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Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

From what I heard though a lot of the layouts were exactly the same.

It did not really matter for me. The original game had this sense of "digging deeper" inside the conspiracy and finding out that things your pilot seemingly joked about just happened to be true. I know the word had been abused too much on the internet, but the scope of Deus EX felt "epic" as far as the cyberpunk genre goes. My main source of disappointment with HR was how the ending sequence were executed, in the original you had short cutscenes when JC made his choice. And when he did his choice, he had to go through going back and forth inside Area 51 to do shit.

asaqe · 2011-10-03, 00:45

The Japanese site has been updated, apparently Yuko Kaida voices the sole female Tyrants member of the trio. Atsuko Tanaka may voice either one of the missing scientists or the CEO of Tai Young Medical. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the latter since she is most well known for GiTS and it will only be fitting for her.

Sides · 2011-10-03, 14:06

Is it me or is this game really short. I am actually disappointed, if i compare it with deus ex, this game does not feel special. At the moment I have the feeling that HR is only a paid demo, and only with DLC, or DLCs, a complete game.

Mentar · 2011-10-03, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Sides

Is it me or is this game really short. I am actually disappointed, if i compare it with deus ex, this game does not feel special. At the moment I have the feeling that HR is only a paid demo, and only with DLC, or DLCs, a complete game.

The game's length is around 30 hours, unless you skip side missions and cut corners, and even longer if you play pacifist on highest difficulty. That's quite a bit longer than Deus Ex 1.

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SilverSyko Okuyasu the Bird Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 32	Does destroying a mech count as a kill if you're doing a pacifist run? I always wondered that... __________________

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SilverSyko Okuyasu the Bird Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 32	Logically I'd think it wouldn't considering it's a robot. Their lives don't mean anything to them and it's not like they can atone themselves nor have anything to live for. But if it does then that's probably why I didn't get the trophy for it. I didn't have the augment to shut down robots through hacking in that hangar so I had no choice but to EMP their asses. There was also one human enemy who died through a proximity mine too, but it wasn't even one I placed myself. If I lost it because of that then that's kind of unfair. __________________ Last edited by SilverSyko; 2011-09-27 at 01:29.

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liquidmetal procrastinating... Join Date: Aug 2010	Just finished it and really enjoyed it. Wish you could have slapped Spoiler for : Megan though, hard

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Alchemist007 Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA	This is a really annoying and shitty habit from devs/pubs, I just saw the Tong's extra mission for $2.99 on Steam. So ****s who preordered ONLY from certain asshole retailers get it for free? I preordered it too ffs, why should I have to pay for this crap just because it wasn't from Lamestop? Seriously, screw them, and screw anyone else who does this. __________________ Fanfics Art MyAnimeList

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TrueKnight Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004	Fantastic game but the ending sucked balls imho. Spoiler: I've been avoiding killing people with the exception of boss fights, saved all the compatriots in the process till the end, including Malik (killed the robot with my sweet maxed Typhoon while the soldiers with tranq, that was hard like shit). In the end I manage to get talking with Taggart and Sarif, and finally after the fight with Zhao they gave us 4 shitty paths to forge the course of the world, and there's no afterwords on what actually happens with Jensen and his co? Only Megan and Page? This annoys me as Eidos disregard what hardships my Jensen went through (saving all the buddies and stealth tranqued all the soldiers). What I read though, is that Squeenix forced the team to rush with the development due to tight deadline, resulting Eidos had to haste the entire damn thing into an incomplete and wtf endings..Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong....

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Decagon This was meaningless Scanlator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Not on this site no more. Age: 36	The mech attacking Malik is safe to kill; I destroyed it on my pacifist run. Be sure to double check the people you put down though. Sometimes they just die, especially from crossfire/mech rocket splash.

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Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Also be very careful that the explosion from the exploding mech doesn't take out any soldiers.

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Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	It's true that the game felt "rushed". The original Deus EX had, iirc Spoiler: 001.0 - Liberty Island: Retake The Statue 002.0 - Castle Clinton/Battery Park: Ambrosia And The Subway Hostages 003.0 - Hell's Kitchen Part 1: The Generator 004.0 - Hell's Kitchen Part 2: The Mole People 005.0 - Hell's Kitchen Part 3: The NSF Distress Signal 006.0 - Majestic 12 Facility: Escape From UNATCO 007.0 - Secret Majestic 12 Helicopter Base: Caught! Again... 008.0 - Hong Kong: The Dragon's Tooth Sword 009.0 - Hong Kong: The Universal Constructor 010.0 - Hell's Kitchen Part 4: Stanton Dowd 011.0 - Brooklyn Naval Base: Scuttle The Super Freighter 012.0 - Lower East Side Cemetery: Dowd's Mausoleum 013.0 - Paris Part 1: The Catacombs 014.0 - Paris Part 2: The Club La Porte de l'Enfer 015.0 - Paris Part 3: Chateau DuClare 016.0 - Paris Part 4: The Knight's Templar 017.0 - Paris Part 5: Morgan Everett's Home 018.0 - Vandenberg Part 1: X-51 019.0 - Vandenberg Part 2: The Gas Station Hostage 020.0 - New West Coast Part 1: Sub Base/Ocean Lab 021.0 - New West Coast Part 2: The Missile Silo 022.0 - Area 51 Part 1: The Beginning of The End 023.0 - Area 51 Part 2: The End

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JC... I am a Pie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In a fantasy.	Eidos was making the game for four years, it'd be a stretch to continue on for longer, though it would've produced a more complete game. Square wasn't with them from the start. The original was also unfinished, they essentially cut a third of what would've been in the game.

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asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	The Japanese site has been updated, apparently Yuko Kaida voices the sole female Tyrants member of the trio. Atsuko Tanaka may voice either one of the missing scientists or the CEO of Tai Young Medical. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the latter since she is most well known for GiTS and it will only be fitting for her. __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

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Sides Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Edinburgh Age: 42	Is it me or is this game really short. I am actually disappointed, if i compare it with deus ex, this game does not feel special. At the moment I have the feeling that HR is only a paid demo, and only with DLC, or DLCs, a complete game.