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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 28 | |||
10: Amazing... | 4 | 8.33% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 4 | 8.33% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 13 | 27.08% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 12 | 25.00% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 7 | 14.58% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 5 | 10.42% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 3 | 6.25% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-04-23, 15:27 | Link #141 | |
Knightmare
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If I was the leader of the Fed. after defeating Vagan I would of course allow them to live in the Fed, but I wouldn't allow them to live in large numbers in the same area/colony and I wouldn't allow them to call themselves Vagan anymore. And here I just destroyed Vagan. Also your assuming that their blind devotion for their leader and their cause allow them to surrender. During eps 15 when the Vagan ship was about to get destroyed the people their where more then happy to keep working no mater how pointless it was. Also lets not forget the fact that they use the X-Rounder helmet which proven to be dangerous for the brain of the user, the Vagan soldiers are more then willing to use the helmet. I find the concept of peace with suicidal people a little bit unlikely and give it enough time Vagan will probably kill themselves since they don't mind dying. Last edited by atilim; 2012-04-23 at 18:00. Reason: wouldn't sould have been would |
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2012-04-23, 17:48 | Link #142 | |||||
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And we know nothing of how desperate they are, and how a dose of hope would mellow them out. And we're not even sure they consider the helmet dangerous - Flit did precisely because he didn't know the tech behind it, but the Vagans created it. Quote:
Considering the quality of the writing, I don't expect an in depth exposition of how the Vagans really are, but we haven't seen anything so far that'd justify genocide. Any such thing would be motivated by revenge, not survival. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2012-04-24 at 01:17. |
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2012-04-23, 18:31 | Link #143 | ||
The Dark Knight
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The Vagans are pretty much loyal to Lord Ezcelant to the end and will die for him. The only way to avoid complete destruction would be to take him out. Quote:
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2012-04-23, 19:57 | Link #144 |
Know who you are
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I can't be the only person that thinks that super Vagan suit has possibly the worst colour scheme ever?
Theres alot of problems with this series and all but all of it suddenly seems to really pale in comparison to this woefully coloured MS-__- Thats the only thing I'll mention here, god knows what they thinking about there.
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2012-04-23, 20:37 | Link #146 |
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Being gracious in victory and showing mercy to your enemy is what leads to lasting peace, not the total annihilation approach.
In this episode the PM says: "This war will go on until one side is completely destroyed" and Flit replies: "That's been my intention all along. Because my goal is the extermination of Vagan!" Does that really sound like a hero to you guys? Asemu in the other hand doesn't fight for revenge or to exterminate the other side. As cheesy as it may sound his reason for fighting makes him a proper hero. Flit is obsessed with revenge, it's basically consumed him. He went from fighting to protect people and being a savior during the Bat extermination days, to trying to exterminate the Vagans. In the end it doesn't matter if Vagan don't want peace, because Flit doesn't want it either. He's onece more using the Vagans failure to compromise to justify and rationalize his obsession with genocide.
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2012-04-23, 21:54 | Link #147 |
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1. Asem as the White Wolf: I don't mind the Tribute, the uniform and suit fits Asem IMO so keep that as a momento, but I only want to see that white AGE-2 once and never again, because if all 3 gens fight side by side in their Gundam's its gonna be stupid with an all-white one
2. IDK y everyone (well most) said Zeheart and Asem made up, they didn't they simply had different reasons for blowing up the Vegan station (which both involved saving the Earth). They did this, and shook hands for old times sake since they happened to work together again. In gen 3 they're still gonna be on opposite sides period so it will be interesting to see how that turns out 3. Flit not attending his sons wedding, it seems DOWNRIGHT COLD, but dont forget he more or less just shook the whole EF Government to its very core, hes a high priority target now and if he attended he may risk putting all he care for in danger, not to mention EF security in AGE is shit 4. Gen 3, wouldn't it be funny if Kio despite his innocent looks become a sadistic killer whenever he pilots the AGE-3? Unlikely but would be quite interesting rofl 5. Liking the Gen 3 Feddie mass production suit designs better than the Vegan ones |
2012-04-23, 22:01 | Link #148 |
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Flit has been fighting for too long now.
Now that I think about it, Flit will be "home" more during Kio's arc, because of his retirement from the force. He'll be more hands-on in sculpting Kio into a soldier that will fight Vagans in his stead, than Asem. I wonder what that will turn out. Last edited by kakakka; 2012-04-24 at 01:25. |
2012-04-24, 01:22 | Link #151 | |
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2012-04-24, 01:26 | Link #152 | |
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We've already seen Flit spare young Decil. So no he wont genocide women and children. What he will destroy is the very idea of Vegan and their military capacity. Because really no matter how many times you kick them off their invasion forces in Earth sphere they coming back to attack wont end until you take the battle to them or they've wasted every man and woman trying to take over Earth. Think of the Vegans as North Korea without the saber rattling. They are resource poor and yet puts importance to the military. The elite like Decil and Magician 8 treated better than others. A society driven by cult of personality and an ideology of a superior race. Realistically Vegans does not have the numbers to pull it off. They are facing the collective might of the Earth Federation and the colonies. I doubt the Euba-Zalam alliance will just take Vegans attacking their colonies laying down. |
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2012-04-24, 02:19 | Link #153 | |
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In the end it doesn't matter if Flit don't want peace, because Vegan doesn't want it either. After all they are killing a lot of Innocent while ignoring all peace treaty from FED. While Flit was in defense side the whole time. And to people who said the Vegan are evil so it's ok while Flit is a hero so it's Big NO or he become worse the Vegan(If not the Devil himself...) You make me remember joke from Gintama, it's called the Jaian theory: When the big bully guy who bully everyone 24/7 days year done one simple good thing he suddenly become one of most great/good guy with good/big heart. (Zeheart = He still plan to have whole earth for Vegan Eden even if he have to sacrifice himself you know ...) BUT when the goody good little girl done one act of selfish/wrong she become the most evil character even wore than Jaian.... (Flit = Revenge is bad so you are worse than Vegan if not the Devil himself...) |
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2012-04-24, 02:49 | Link #154 |
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It's been established from the start that Flit is no hero of justice though. I fail to see the problem people have with this. It's not like not being a hero suddenly makes him a villain instead. No matter how you coat it, the extermination of an entire population is not a noble thing. And is not a thing that will lead to peace.
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2012-04-24, 04:36 | Link #156 | |
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We have seen the mobile suit factory plants in a Fed. colony We have seen Vagan able to infiltrate and integrate in colony without any trouble We have seen Vagan mobile suits smuggled in colony without any trouble The first one alone allows Vagan to keep their war going, the second one allows them to gather information and if necessary destroy the colony or building. Also during the last major battle you saw how the the top of Vagan knew about a secret weapon Flit was using, if they didn't know the existence then they wouldn't have dodged the attack which would have destroyed allot of their ships and mobile suits. And personally I'm also wondering in what ways the corrupt politicians and military leaders prevented the advancement in mobile suit development. It isn't hard to imagine that by removing low profile but important people that the MS development of the Fed |
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2012-04-24, 06:06 | Link #157 | |
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But I won't go as far as saying that the corrupt faction alone was sufficient to cause a war between the Feddies and the Vagans. The basis for war between the two warring parties was already established way before the corrupt faction gained prominence. They merely created some aggravating conditions for the war. I'm sure Ezelcant would have found some other ways to fight a sustainable war with the Feddies, even if it would take a longer time to implement and put into fruition. |
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2012-04-24, 10:23 | Link #158 | |||
The Dark Knight
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I mean it's not that hard. Set up a huge military failure for the Federation which would give the Minister an excuse to set up a peace treaty in favour of the Vagans. The only reason this is is because the Vagans are not interested in co-existing with the Earth Sphere to begin with. Quote:
I don't think anyone here ever said anything about justice. Flit at the start talked about protecting the people he loved and cared for. So far the show's been consistent with that theme as the Federation's resistance has revolved around the Gundam itself. Quote:
Given the fact that Flit isn't part of the new government and that he's retired by Kio's time the chances of that happening is very low. |
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2012-04-24, 11:35 | Link #159 | |
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LOL what do you call this, jesting? Certainly looks like he's just joking about that idea, right? Spoiler for pic:
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2012-04-24, 12:22 | Link #160 | |
Knightmare
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On the other hand this is what Vagan exactly does |
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