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Interestingly,back in SS Komamura was extremely reluctant to use Bankai, even telling Kenpachi that he was not worthy of it. It was only when Zaraki nearly killed Tousen that we saw him bring out the giant. Why would Koma feel Po merits an immediate bankai, while Kenpachi doesn't deserve it :s? Last edited by Amirali; 2008-09-26 at 22:56. |
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2008-09-26, 22:12 | Link #84 |
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As far as I see it Komamura using Bankai wasn't necessary as much as it was reactionary. Why let the fight progress and turn into something of larger proportion than should be, when it was imperative for him to take care of what was needed to and continue about on what he's there for initially. No need for irrelevant squandering when there is a more important situation to be dealt with.
Do I think Komamura would of liked to do this without using Bankai? Probably yes, but the situation in itself probably changed the moment Po punched him halfway through town and then released. Which might be a testament to how these few Espadas and some of their Fraccion might warrant atleast some consideration. I don't think him releasing his Bankai will strain or affect his capabilities in the fight with the Arrancar or that he gave away his trump card since there could be more to his Bankai than shown. |
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if you simply mean defeat Po... then no... But if we mean defeat Po without loosing any health at all, then ya, probably... Can you tell me with strong certainty that if Koma or any other captain had used thier Shikai against Po that Po would NOT have managed to get off even a single strike against the captain? What if instead of freezing in shock of Koma's Bankai, Po had continued to fire his Cero and managed to atleast graze Koma... the power could have been enough to leave some damage... One strike is all it could take to injure the captain in question... something like a busted arm would be very damning during the REAL fight agaisnt the espada... or hell, what if Po had aimed his attack at the poles that are protecting the town, the extra minute or two Koma could have spent defeating him with Shikai could have resulted with Po dying and opening up the town at the same time i guess i shouldn't call it "necessary", so much as it was the smarter, more "rational" thing to do... Quote:
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Seriously, that one fraccion knew Kira well enough to know that he was disowned by Gin but did not know that entering close range combat with him was a very good way to get you're ass kicked. though your point still stands regardless of such plot holes... unless you take in the possibility that SS was under assumption that Aizen would have briefed his men... though considering that this error in judgement for Aizen is the result of Plot hole, i doubt Kubo thought that far to have SS make assumptions like that... Quote:
Though thinking about it, the REAL waste was the fact that Koma showed his Bankai while fighting Kenpachi... Had he not used it it would have made this last chapter pretty sweet... and it would have been made even sweeter since not seeing Koma use his Bankai would have made Aizen vs Koma a real teaser since he got owned right before his Bankai could manifest; we'd be all like "we were so close to seeing it!"... if not for that moment against kenpachi, we would have never expected Koma's Bankai to be that of a gigantic, armored samurai... it would have been a pretty awesome reveal at such a time even if it was against a lowly fraccion (though then again, its probably sweeter to see a captain first release and own something fast than it is to see him release and then get owned) Last edited by Slayerx; 2008-09-26 at 23:10. |
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2008-09-26, 23:10 | Link #86 | ||
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However, even the captains don't know the details of every bankai. For example, Kenpachi was completely surprised when he faced Tousen's bankai. Also, Ichigo was only the second person to see Byakuya's bankai second form. So, I'm sure the captains have a few tricks Aizen wouldn't have seen before. Quote:
It would be a nice detail if the top 3 espada fighting turned out to be well-briefed by Aizen. Given that the shinigami know nothing of their opponents' abilities, it's a plausible way to compensate the imbalanced numbers. |
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2008-09-27, 00:50 | Link #87 | ||
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And really a "few tricks" is completely different from not knowing anything... Byakuya may have kept the true form of his bankai secret, but we saw no secrets about his normal Bankai; the same Bankai that was used to wipe out Zomari... in fact the shikai release of a zapakato is part of a ceremony as for when Aizen first exposed everyone to his shikai Quote:
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2008-09-27, 02:05 | Link #88 |
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I don't know; Ichigo gained bankai pretty quickly, but hasn't trained with it long enough, so it would make sense if Ichigo isn't as proficient with bankai than Renji or Ikkaku are...I don't know if Ichigo said that sustaining bankai often wore him out, but I do remember something about Ichigo saying that he didn't want to use bankai on just every enemy he comes across, which is why he was reluctant to go bankai, and then Vizard when fighting against Dordonii (If that's who I correctly assume if that's who you're referring to since I don't know who this "Dol" is)...In either case, that reluctance extended what could've been a really short battle over a lengthened period of time against a mere Privaron, though he still made do at bankai/Vizard power against Grimmjow, an Espada...
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>__> stupid rule on non-full page postings, now i gotta go photoshop and upload it... anyone else notice this? Dis here's a link. Betcha didnt know that! Last edited by Konpachi; 2008-09-27 at 04:52. |
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2008-09-27, 09:09 | Link #91 |
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Well as much as I like Bleach I am getting a little tired of these "even matches". Beauty Guy with kido ability against beauty arancar with kido ability. Arancar with heavy feathers VS "make things heavy" Zanpakuto. Genuious Shinigami VS Genious Arancar and now giant Arancar VS giant shinigami. I prefered the matches with actual DIFFERENT abilities on both sides.
Well since this is all filler I don't care that it is just Arancar apears gets beaten after 2 chapters, Arancar apears gets beaten after 2 chapters, Arancar apears gets beaten after 2 chapters, Arancar apears gets beaten after 2 chapters *yawn* But If we will now see the Top 4 Espade just get beaten I am realy pissed. I realy like Bleach but the bad guys also should be allowed to win a fight once in a while. If not where is the climax? |
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No doubt. I'm not saying that it's not better to go all out at times. Dol was an opponent that would've been better dealt with if Ichigo had gone bankai immediately against. Many battles would've been easier (though less entertaining) that way, but that's still not to say that there is need for captains to pull out bankai against any and every opponent just to be cautious. Anyways, regardless of how it was done. I am very glad the four pillar subplot is done. Now we can get back to the Espada and the captains who have apparently just been standing there this whole time patiently waiting for the story to focus on them.
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But she is definitely uber powerful since she IS one of the oldest captains, becoming a captain shortly after Ukitake and Shunsui themselves. She must have an awesome Shyunpo. And I'm sure her Shikai has some powerful combat abilities as well, like organ control, or something. I can totally imagine this: [Scene: Ichigo just fell to his knees dramatically, holding himself up with his sword, and Ulquiorra stands, several superficial wounds, but nothing serious, blandly looking at Ichigo, hands in his pockets. Then In an instant, he's gone, and reappears in front of Ichigo, his right hand extended, palm and fingers straightened out, beelining for his chest.] At the last instant Ichigo dodges, by lunging off to the side, and as Ulguiorra passes through the area where Ichigo was just kneeling, he finds himself staring into the impassive eyes of none other than Kuchiki Byakuya, and his throat is pressing on the point of sealed Senbon Zakura. But Byakuya can't cut him!! Caught off guard Byakuya is vulnerable, seeing as his sword can't pose any threat to Ulquiorra, and Ulgui just ignores it and thrusts agains with his palm, this time for Byakuya's heart. And then, suddenly: [scene: the next panel shows a blurred, moving shadow, and a speech bubble with a whisper of "Bankai".] Next panel, a half page: Ulqui from behind in the background, and Unohana in the Foreground, several metres away, blur lines around her showing that she's now slowing down, composure fully maintained. End of chapter: One frame showing Ulquiorra's eyes slightly wider than normal, and a long, bleeding wound from the bottom of his right eye, diagonally crossing the green tear mark, stopping at his chin, and resuming from his chest on the right side, down to approximately the end of his abdomen. That would be cool, I guess... Quote:
Halibel: Uneasy, and disagreeable, but reluctant to oppose, and her fraccion were obviously against it, but intimidated. Stark: "Oh, yeah. Sure: no problem." Taking it cool and easy, but his Fraccion kicked him in the shin real hard, and glared at him. When he asked her why, she said "You know why" or something like that. In other words: She was implying that Stark was in a position to oppose Barragan, but his laziness made him not do it. Stark's fraccion, the girl hollow wasn't even fazed by the event of Barragan's Takeover. Tada: Stark = #1; Halibel: Difficult to determine right now, but according to Shonen Law: Barragan started attacking first. in a scene where there are multiple, extremely powerful enemies, the most powerful MUST stand back, and they MUST fight last. -Shonen constitution, Fifth Amendment. Halibel most likely = #2, and Barragan = #3.
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2008-09-28, 11:52 | Link #96 |
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I'm inclined to think that Koma's bankai was bigger than Po's guerilla-whale form, despite size discrepancies (Po looking tall as a 12 story building on Page 2, then looking half that next to Koma on page 13).
Koma looks like he was able to wrap his arms around Po's hand on page 8 and then throw him, then on page 17, the hand of the giant makes Koma really look small. |
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