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OBTW, about the ending... Spoiler for episode conclusion:
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2013-03-03, 02:16 | Link #3482 | |
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what the heck!! "starting out as kenkyusei again" are they reflecting Real life happenings or what happened in real life with miichan all just part of the show/PR work!!! wahhh. now who ever said the story was done months & months ago....
for the moment there I thought Miichan was going out the way of the other Center Nova with a bang & disappearance, but then what happened with the KKS statement, was more huh? looks like they found AKIBASTAR II, a new home for AKB0048 I think this episode confirms chieri wasn't thinking yet of becoming C-N, that is why she haven't made any proclamation like Yuuko & nagisa, as per her statements to Nagisa, "there's no way you could do that, Becoming center nova is hard enough...." but as she also said she still has a lot of other things to worry about like her Father & zodiac, she really is not prepared yet. I think in this episode Nagisa has definitely gotten past chieri. while chieri is still burdened by her circumstances Nagisa is firmly set on Becoming C-N Quote:
about the incidents & story draft> yes it is possible to change a line or two but it's harder to change the character involved in the plot itself. It had to be Miichan , who by the way was present ever since S1. so yeah it's harder to explain. about the ep title, which was trollish btw everyone was thinking Blue=Chieri, but turns out to be mii-chan and the Blue-rose song. Question though is that song really sung by Real life Mii-chan or particualrly associatd with her?
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2013-03-03, 04:05 | Link #3483 |
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Well, Nagisa doesn't have a megalomaniac father to deal with, so Chieri has the right to be burdened by circumstances at the moment. It doesn't mean she's weaker than Nagisa, nor does it mean Nagisa's closer to become Center Nova than she is.
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2013-03-03, 04:31 | Link #3484 | |
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again no one, and definitely not me, had ever said nor implied that Chieri is weaker than Nagisa , in fact she is stronger at least in dancing/performing skills and most definitely in popularity. if ever Nagisa is only stronger in resolve. but that's how it is. this I disagree, (if you remember our discussion about Yuuko & Nagisa's declaration of going C-N, & chieri's lack of, previously). Recognition of your goals & what you want to do is important in this regard. remember the very basis of Succession IS becoming one with the original member's goals & ambitions. Nagisa has already shown she is dead set in becoming C-N in previous episodes & has added another reason this episode. Chieri OTH is still struggling with her circumstance & unsure of what to do. IN Fact she said very much that in this episode while she was talking with Nagisa by the stairs. "I'm still not sure what I should do" her very own words.
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2013-03-03, 04:58 | Link #3485 | |
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Nagisa has a strong resolve right now, which is to rescue Yuuko. That much is true, but whether that kind of feeling can get you closer to succession and the Center Nova position is anyone guess. That's all I'm saying. As for Chieri, she needs to deal with her father first, though I don't think being unsure of what to do is that much of hindrance in her case. She might not have a specific goal or course of action right now, but she works hard nonetheless. There's a few members that fit that attitude, our very own Acchan being one of them. We'll have to wait and see. And btw: I disagree. I mean, Nagisa seems to have found a strong resolve because now she's got an important goal in sight, but she's never shown much resolve before. On the other hand, Chieri doesn't seem to have any specific goal at the moment, yet she shows quite a bit of resolve in her daily activities. All in all, I don't think we can compare just now. Chieri still needs to find out what she wants to do, and I'm not buying Nagisa's new found resolve until I see her backing up her words with actions.
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Again that is not to say Nagisa will ultimately be Acchan or the next C-N, but it definitely is pointing that way. (then again this kawamori.....) In fact I would be fine either way, as long as it is well done, and Chieri is cool for me too I think you might be a little too Nagisa Phobic sorry if not. but I feel a lot of other people are though.
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But, do you seriously believe any original member has/had a specific goal like that? I mean if we're talking about the ultimate goal, Acchan wanted to be an actress, and Takamina's still aiming at becoming a solo singer. But clearly, this isn't what they mean, right? No, they mean their goal in AKB, and many of the girls don't really have such a thing. Acchan (the original) diffidently didn't have anything like that imo. Yuuko did have a goal in AKB: she wanted to beat Acchan. But I think for Acchan AKB was more like a means to an end. Clearly they can't show her like that in the series, and that's probably why they depict her in the vague way they do, having her say things like "I want to shine upon everyone forever" and stuff like that. She's more a symbol than an actual person with clearcut goals and aspirations. Remember Chieri's declaration in the General Election? "I love everyone" she said. That screamed (anime) Acchan so much it wasn't even funny. And I think that's Chieri's goal in AKB, to show her love for the fans, her team mates, everyone. To "shine upon everyone forever", to borrow Acchan the 13th's words. She might not know how to go about it yet, but it's not like she's really aimless.
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On a different point I also disagree with you that Nagisa is only just talking big, The existence of the Kirara is a very convenient device in this story in that it shows the sincerity & true feelings of it's attached member. Nagisa's definitely showed she means it when she declared that C-N goal and it's definitely not just talking Big, it's definitely personal RESOLVE. If you can't accept that, then I don't know, I guess you can't accept the very premiss of the Kirara too, and we'll just agree to disagree. oh and before you say it Chieri's Kirara glowed much too, but her resolve is more in becoming successor than in becoming C-N. Quote:
As to your last paragraph, maybe, but right now were talking about being C-N, not who will become Acchan, as I've said before Nagisa might in fact be nearer Yuuko her idol as she is mirroring Yuuko's actions. Either way both Yuuko & Acchan were C-Ns.
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2013-03-03, 07:24 | Link #3489 | |
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Also, what do you think is a Center Nova anyway? I mean, you seem to believe Nagisa is close to becoming one just because she's aiming for it, but I think there's lot more to it than that. Miichan told Yuuko a Center Nova bears great burned and loneliness, and accepting this for the sake of the group is the mindset that leads you to Position 0. Nagisa wants to be Center Nova but she still doesn't even know that that means. Besides a fuck ton of training and, you know, actually being an idol, is needed too. Showing what you got on stage, making the kirara glow more and more as you make the audience go crazy with your performance. That's the kinda thing that get you closer to the prize. Nagisa still hasn't done anything toward her goal beyond announcing it. She's not ahead of Chieri or anyone else at this point. They're all at the starting line.
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2013-03-03, 08:41 | Link #3490 | |
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You're very first sentence was to quote:
so I posit Nagisa in fact does have resolve as per the Kirara's actions and not just talking big. that's what the previous post was mostly about. Quote:
And NO, I never said nor implied that Nagisa is close to becoming C-N just because she's aiming for it. so stop putting words in my mouth. BUT it is a fact that she has taken that first step, with resolve in fact. The same way Yuuko did previously as a Kenkyuusei. A step MORE than the others have, hence being ahead. Is that not simple enough?
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2013-03-03, 09:58 | Link #3494 | ||
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Again I care not what real life Acchan path were, because it is irrelevant.there is no C-N position in real life and real life Acchan never had to succeed a name. What's relevant is only what the show has stated as orig. or previous Acchan's Goals are. Real life AKB is founded on profit, commercialism (and Aki-p's whims it seems) which ultimately affected the choice of their center, which is far from AKB0048's in-universe raison d'être. Nagisa on the other hand has precedent in Yuuko (the recently disappeared one in the anime forgot her number >.<). Quote:
oh yeah! I totally forgot, they do have a bigger "Mothership" maybe it would have taken longer to prepare for emergency takeoff. At least that's a good rationalization....
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AKB0048 22 - Your Crime Has Just Been Put on Hold
I've never used this term before, but... "feels". Lots of them this episode. That final fight scene was exciting, and seeing all the praise Mii got afterward was really riveting. The show just keeps getting better. A lot of the information that was revealed was worth considering too, such as those Kirara like things that were the form of the other Center Novae. Kinda freaky. Even if it's clear they are in that other world, there's still other questions, such as "Why?" and "What are they doing there?". Surely they're not just playing cards while waiting for someone to get them out. I wonder if there's even enough episodes left for Nagisa to become Center Nova. It would bring about a nice conclusion to her character arc, but there's at least two or three other plots that need to be wrapped up, too. Also, loved that scene of Sonata jumping on Makoto's bed. She knows how to lower the tension. |
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So yeah, goals are important, but they're no always a concrete, tangible thing. The Center Nova position is probably the same. I don't think you necessarily need to consciously aim for it. It may be that some girls go down the path of the Center Nova without even realizing how they got there. Quote:
The show has never stated such thing. We know a bit of how Acchan the 13th was, but we don't know any specific goals she might have had. Did she want to be Center Nova? Was she consciously aiming for it like Yuuko was? Clearly she embraced the position when she got it, but I'd like to know how she was before that point...
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Us the viewers and even tsubasa not knowing (or does she? i think she in fact does) the specifics on why Mimori became Mariko the 8th does not matter, but clearly she did have those goals in synch with the "mariko" name, the Kirara confirms it. and her actions prior to that during the election and right after the succession reflects that too. Same thing as with Kanata/Takamina with their desire to protect and lead their teams. Quote:
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^ Well, since we seem to disagree even about the definition of "goal/purpose" in the context of the show, it's unlikely that we'll see eye to eye any time soon.
Let's agree to disagree and move on. Just one last thing though. Quote:
But yeah, let's move on.
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BTW the original point of discussion was Nagisa being ahead (at the moment) because she has that goal. but yeah this is getting tiresome , signing out , at least for this topic/show.
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