Ore no Imouto (Season Two) - Episode 13 [TV End] Discussion / Poll

[Soverence]

Originally Posted by Peanutbutter

Manami, you really surprised me.

That smile and that "da..me" showed me you're possibly the darkest character in this series after all.

As for Kirino, liking her brother (as a brother) is one thing, but I really dun see any romantic links between them. Maybe the anime itself didn't have much time to pull that off.

Yeah, I think Manami's actions shocked a lot of people this episode, she was only in it for about like 4-5 minutes but during that time she really came off as somewhat heartless. Well she might not agree with the way Kirino is acting, Manami basically tells Kirino she is creepy and weird while being very smug about it on top of it.

Spoiler for Ln comparison:

The idea that she is interested in her brother is certainly there, but it doesn't really show up till later and even when it does it is all very subtle and you have to be able to see through Kirino as a character in order to get that. If you take her actions and words at face value, it will be impossible to actually see her interest in him that way, she is the ultimate Tsun after all .

In general, people seem to agree that the light novel did better in displaying the idea that Kirino was interested in Kyousuke in that way, but it had more time obviously and was more detailed. The anime had to cut out a lot of small little events that would have helped hint towards this conclusion so I am not surprised that most anime viewers will be somewhat confused by this development.

[Deathscyther]

Great episode. We actually get an episode from Kirino's POV. Very interesting. Since I like Kirino, I was quite happy with this change. I like how they ended the TV broadcast with Kirino asking for more life counseling, since that's what started everything.

'The onii-chan I love will come back to me one day!' I think this sentence of little Kirino was really important and maybe even the core of this episode. During this episode she admitted that the onii-chan who could do everything never really existed. But even though they were having a 'cold war', even though both Kirino and Kyousuke now know that he's just an avarage person, he still worried about her, he still tried to help her and he still tried to protect her. In the end Kirino kind of admits that in a way the brother she loves really did come back to her.

It was interesting to learn that almost everything Kirino does is related to Kyousuke in some way (she started doing track and field to keep up with Kyousuke; she started modeling because she saw the poster of Kyousuke; she wanted to get good grades because she thought that Kyousuke was really smart).

Little Kirino was cute with brown hair, but I prefer her dyed hair over her original hair colour now that she's older. The way little Kirino was watching that anime at Manami's place showed that she always had a thing for anime, haha. And omg, she's really scary when she's in full otaku mode.

As for Kirino treating Kyousuke quite bad throughout the first part of the series. It was the anger she felt for Kyousuke, because she felt that he had 'betrayed' her, which made her treat him so badly in the beginning of the series. And I guess that, even after getting closer to Kyousuke again, she had trouble changing the way she treated him because of her 'tsundere' qualities. She has trouble voicing her real feelings and usually ends up doing/saying the complete opposite, which everyone around her already seems to understand by now. As most of you guys said, we now know why she treated him the way she did, but this doesn't mean that it was all justified. Even as a big Kirino fan I admit that she did go overboard at times.

I don't think the animators decided to focus on Kirino's change during this final episode of the TV broadcast just to give the watchers more insight about Kirino though (although it was part of the reason). I think the animators didn't want the TV broadcast's final episode to stop in the middle of something, but to have the feeling of a final episode (hence the ending with Kirino asking for more life counseling).

Spoiler for Novel comparison:

If the anime would have followed the exact order of the LN's at this point, there wouldn't have been a good point to end the TV broadcast. Fitting in Kirino's change and Kyousuke's change (Sakurai's story) in one episode would have been impossible, so they would have had to stop in the middle of the Kyousuke/Kirino/Manami talk.

[NoemiChan]

This is episode 13????? This is just a summary!!!!! WTF???!!!!!!

[eiyuu99]

My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute
My Big Brother Can't Be This Average

[GundamZZ]

Poor Minami. Why the story is making the childhood friend as a loser again? The feeling must be painful for her. She's right about Kyousuke. The used to be amazing onichan never exists in the first place. It's all his imouto's imagination. The only truth about Kyousuke is he's always a yasashi person. It's not a good enough trait about Kyousuke. Because the girl's reason to reject a guy is he's a "good guy", but that's the only good thing she likes about him(generic storyline). Minami's fault is misleading Kirino. She's making Kirino believing she's having boy and girl relationship with Kyousuke. Then, Kirino directs her frustration to ero game. Nevertheless, it seems to be a painful childhood memory for Kirino.

Hmm...this week...Kirino having same childhood as Mikoto.

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[jandkas]

Manami, evidence even the gentlest of beings can be pure evil, lol, also I think the "super kyousuke" did exist because he used to at least try really hard at everything. As shown before he was the one helping manami, but now when he was reading "dragon piece" he was being taught by manami. Also for the track, he used to win always until he just stopped trying.

[KronosPlasma]

Originally Posted by GundamZZ

Poor Minami. Why the story is making the childhood friend as a loser again?

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Look at a lot of anime Japan hates childhood friends

Originally Posted by jandkas

Manami, evidence even the gentlest of beings can be pure evil, lol, also I think the "super kyousuke" did exist because he used to at least try really hard at everything. As shown before he was the one helping manami, but now when he was reading "dragon piece" he was being taught by manami. Also for the track, he used to win always until he just stopped trying.

Well this it more Kyousuke fault Manami never say to be a lazy bum

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by KronosPlasma

Well this it more Kyousuke fault Manami never say to be a lazy bum

Well, this is sort of like "winning on a technicality". She didn't have to tell him outright what to do, she just kept telling him that he was okay that way (see the very beginning of the anime, for example). It's the power of positive reinforcement. She knew what he was, saw what he had become, and reinforced that this is what was best for him.

Now that doesn't mean this is necessarily evil; she may have legitimately felt that he was less likely to harm himself and others by not taking so many risks and accepting his "normality". But Kirino of the day didn't necessarily see it that way.

[kaigan]

imho, this episode is nice and it doesn't show to make kirino pitiful or win some sympathy. this just gave us the history (although not entirely) of everything. if this was a 2-episode special maybe it would be much clearer. at the very least, we got to know how kirino feels, especially the scenes in s1 in her pov or those that have some resemblance to the present like bumping kiri x kyou at the doorway.

i'm happy the entire time watching this. interestingly, the moment the ending credits start to roll, i felt like punching something... maybe it's because of the long wait for the next episodes?

[Marcus H.]

This picture is perfect for the episode.

Originally Posted by Manami Tamura

DAAAAAAAME.

[GVN.Chaos]

Oh, by the way, so all you need to buy R18+ eroge in Japan is a hat, sunglasses and something to cover your face huh

[SQA]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

Oh, by the way, so all you need to buy R18+ eroge in Japan is a hat, sunglasses and something to cover your face huh

Actually, that's probably a 13+ magazine, rather than an 18+ one. So she could buy the magazine.

Getting the Ero-games themselves would require using Cash on Delivery shipping. Which would let you get around the 18 age restriction. (It's come up before that getting the eroge wouldn't be hard, if you had the money)


On a completely Different point:

At 16:05, the images of the "Little Sister" eroge are actually of Asuna from Sword Art Online. Just a hair braid is replaced with a hair tie. Facial design, hair color (though a hint darker, though that could be encoding), hair style and body style are all the same.

A-1 Pictures did both series, so there's no "foul" there. But I thought someone should point it out.

[Om Nerabdator]

I hate manami with a passion now, what a bitch!

[Arararagi-Senpai]

Was a nice episode. It was interesting to see things from Kirino's perspective, and gives some insight into why she does what she does. I have to say that I like her a bit more (I think?).

While it doesn't really advance the plot from the last episode, I wouldn't say it wasn't nesscary.

The only part I didn't like is that it kinda paints Manami as the bad guy.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Om Nerabdator

I hate manami with a passion now, what a bitch!

I never liked her ass anyway, still lmao @ that troll smile.

[kaigan]

after saying that amazing kyousuke never existed, i'm quite sure manami would love oreki or hachiman as potential romantic partner. *whoops, wrong anime*

[Seiryuu]

Originally Posted by Soverence

Yeah, I think Manami's actions shocked a lot of people this episode, she was only in it for about like 4-5 minutes but during that time she really came off as somewhat heartless. Well she might not agree with the way Kirino is acting, Manami basically tells Kirino she is creepy and weird while being very smug about it on top of it.

Spoiler for Ln comparison:

The idea that she is interested in her brother is certainly there, but it doesn't really show up till later and even when it does it is all very subtle and you have to be able to see through Kirino as a character in order to get that. If you take her actions and words at face value, it will be impossible to actually see her interest in him that way, she is the ultimate Tsun after all .

In general, people seem to agree that the light novel did better in displaying the idea that Kirino was interested in Kyousuke in that way, but it had more time obviously and was more detailed. The anime had to cut out a lot of small little events that would have helped hint towards this conclusion so I am not surprised that most anime viewers will be somewhat confused by this development.

I sincerely hope they do what they did last time and have several extra eps on OVA that MAYBE slightly alter the path of this ep but definitely expand things. I'm sure even without the posts, and would be sure even without the spoilers I've found, that there's much more to this than is being shown. It's not that easy to turn an outgoing, superconfident kid who delights in excellence into a slacker who thinks mediocricy is the best place to be, something had to have happened to trigger this change. Given that, along with Manami's total personality, she probably had good reason for much of her behavior. That said, smiling happily while telling a girl that her infatuation is gross is definitely cold, and Manami has shown on a few occasions an ability to be cold and calculating with a sweet smile, using impeccable logic to claim that all other girls should back off and leave Kyousuke in her oh-so-capable hands. There's definitely a darkness in there, but not as big as it looked in this ep.
EDIT: One other part I really liked was the spot where Ayase and Kirino overheard those other otakus chatting about the imouto fad. Kirino's reaction to their dissing imoutos was quite understandable, but it seems that Ayase's misinterpretation of this look had a good bit to do with starting her hatred toward otakus. And even if Kirino had realized the source of Ayase's anger, she couldn't do anything about it. She certainly couldn't say that she was just mad because the idiots didn't realize how wonderful, divine and sexy anime imoutos were. So instead she agreed in full, encouraging Ayase's newfound hate.
Also, said this before noticing the thing about new eps on 8/18.

[SQA]

Originally Posted by Seiryuu

I sincerely hope they do what they did last time and have several extra eps on OVA that MAYBE slightly alter the path of this ep but definitely expand things. I'm sure even without the posts, and would be sure even without the spoilers I've found, that there's much more to this than is being shown. It's not that easy to turn an outgoing, superconfident kid who delights in excellence into a slacker who thinks mediocricy is the best place to be, something had to have happened to trigger this change. Given that, along with Manami's total personality, she probably had good reason for much of her behavior. That said, smiling happily while telling a girl that her infatuation is gross is definitely cold, and Manami has shown on a few occasions an ability to be cold and calculating with a sweet smile, using impeccable logic to claim that all other girls should back off and leave Kyousuke in her oh-so-capable hands. There's definitely a darkness in there, but not as big as it looked in this ep.
EDIT: One other part I really liked was the spot where Ayase and Kirino overheard those other otakus chatting about the imouto fad. Kirino's reaction to their dissing imoutos was quite understandable, but it seems that Ayase's misinterpretation of this look had a good bit to do with starting her hatred toward otakus. And even if Kirino had realized the source of Ayase's anger, she couldn't do anything about it. She certainly couldn't say that she was just mad because the idiots didn't realize how wonderful, divine and sexy anime imoutos were. So instead she agreed in full, encouraging Ayase's newfound hate.
Also, said this before noticing the thing about new eps on 8/18.

Assuming Kyousuke did change, Japanese society can be well regarded for beating the confidence and drive out of children. Excessive hoop jumping will do that.

[Sasukeuzi]

"A little sister liking her brother is creepy isn't it?"
BITACH POOOREEAZUUU!!!! (b*tch plz) That's love power right there! LOVE! L-U-V-E: THAT SPELLS LOVE!!!

[NoemiChan]

All what Kirino is now ... is Minami's fault....