Medaka Box [Manga]

[MD84]

Originally Posted by darthfanta

So you refuse someone's assistance just because that somebody is evil?

Unless I were truly desperate, if that someone really was capital E Evil, I'd turn around and run away as fast as I could.

Zenkichi knows better than anyone that Ajimu is twisted. He knows Ajimu thinks all humans are garbage. Centuries-old monsters with no real concern for humans don't just offer deals out of the goodness of their hearts. Normally he probably would refuse her offer without any hesitation.

Ultimately, Zenkichi is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He can give up on Medaka forever, or accept Ajimu's offer and become Medaka's treasured enemy. Ajimu even stacked the deck further by telling him she would deny him the chance to take a third option. And of course, unrequited love and despair are wrecking havoc on his judgement.

[evil|plushie]

Just ooc, why is everyone assuming ajimu is evil? She hasn't done anything really evil and to be fair, Kumagawa's done worst than her so far. We all assume she's going to be the big bad but what if she turns out like munataka, the assassin who never killed anyone?

[Lummie]

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

Just ooc, why is everyone assuming ajimu is evil? She hasn't done anything really evil and to be fair, Kumagawa's done worst than her so far. We all assume she's going to be the big bad but what if she turns out like munataka, the assassin who never killed anyone?

Being willing to use students of the school as your own guinea pigs for experimental purposes is pretty evil. That's not what a school stands for... it serves to guide the new generation towards their future based on their own hard work. (Najimi's plans contradict this)

[MD84]

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

Just ooc, why is everyone assuming ajimu is evil? She hasn't done anything really evil and to be fair, Kumagawa's done worst than her so far. We all assume she's going to be the big bad but what if she turns out like munataka, the assassin who never killed anyone?

The only reason she hasn't done anything really viscerally awful is because Kumagawa's Bookmakers (the giant screws on her body) have partially sealed her off from reality. They're currently weakening too.

At one point, Zenkichi used "Parasite Eyes" to see the world the way Ajimu saw it. What he saw was enough to convince him that she was evil.

And as already mentioned, she is the mastermind behind the Flask Plan. The Plan that uses students as guinea pigs in an attempt to render human effort meaningless.

[evil|plushie]

so basically, there's no real evidence she's evil with a capital E and not just a well-intentioned extremist

[Lummie]

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

so basically, there's no real evidence she's evil with a capital E and not just a well-intentioned extremist

oh wow. Try reading the explantion in c.27 what will happen with the students who get dragged into the flask plan and then bother again. Anyone willing to allow that is evil with the capital E in my opinion.

[Soji]

Originally Posted by Lummie

oh wow. Try reading the explantion in c.27 what will happen with the students who get dragged into the flask plan and then bother again. Anyone willing to allow that is evil with the capital E in my opinion.

I understand What do you mean and agree on This. (Ch 27) The Problem is... That she really the one to a Permit something like that? I would rather don't do it, but... I do the devil's advocate.
What we know is that Najimi is the originator of the plan but she was already sealed during that time(ch 27), so we do not know if the flank plan that we know is the one that Najimi thought or is Hadsone's grandfather thought on the flank plan .
Seriously we need more information to really understand what Najimi have in mind, after all, in order to reduce the casuality from the flank plan ,Najimi give one of her anormality to Ako .

[Lummie]

Originally Posted by Soji

I understand What do you mean and agree on This. (Ch 27) The Problem is... That she really the one to a Permit something like that? I would rather don't do it, but... I do the devil's advocate.
What we know is that Najimi is the originator of the plan but she was already sealed during that time(ch 27), so we do not know if the flank plan that we know is the one that Najimi thought or is Hadsone's grandfather thought on the flank plan .
Seriously we need more information to really understand what Najimi have in mind, after all, in order to reduce the casuality from the flank plan ,Najimi give one of her anormality to Ako .

Najimi came up with the Flask Plan. Also when she told Zen that no other students would be used if he accepts participating, that alone already implies that she approves of using students, whether she's sealed or not.

[evil|plushie]

cause we should believe everything that comes out of ajimus mouth and she never says anything just to mess with people

[Soji]

Originally Posted by Lummie

Najimi came up with the Flask Plan. Also when she told Zen that no other students would be used if he accepts participating, that alone already implies that she approves of using students, whether she's sealed or not.

I do not know, I understand what you mean, but to me it seem that she said like that ,to push Zen even more to accept her deal.
I could be wrong though

[[HearT]]

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

cause we should believe everything that comes out of ajimus mouth and she never says anything just to mess with people

XD it's usually evil people that have that sort of personality anyways; tricking and messing with people that is. she likes to use people to do what she wants them to do, bends them to her will basically, while she doesn't do anything herself. so if you really want to consider her 'good', i guess that's for you to decide. imo though, Ajimu is a very twisted and deceiving person and definitely 'evil' in my book

[sungreentakeo]

Originally Posted by Last Carpet

....Actually, I don't think Zenkichi has ever admitted to understanding her. I'm pretty sure that it was Medaka who claimed that he understood her better than anyone (which I suppose really isn't saying much)

I really think she's just been trying to convince herself that it's true

He actually says that he is the person that understands her best in the first chapter.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka...1/c001/27.html



Medaka says the same about him in the same chapter.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka...1/c001/53.html

[Lummie]

Spoiler pics

Spoiler for pic1:

Spoiler for text:

"「Sorry for groping your boob」 // 「for the time when we first met...」"

Spoiler for pic2:

Spoiler for text:

"Despite so, we continue to keep laughing carelessly."

note: I think this line is suitable worded somewhat, he's talking about how minus keep putting up a smile no matter what.

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by Lummie

Spoiler pics

Spoiler for pic1:

Spoiler for pic2:

The second pic, I lol'd

Also, no brackets?

[Lummie]

Originally Posted by Adan

The second pic, I lol'd

Also, no brackets?

Yeah, he's being honest there.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Lummie

Spoiler pics

Spoiler for text:

"Despite so, we continue to keep laughing carelessly."

note: I think this line is suitable worded somewhat, he's talking about how minus keep putting up a smile no matter what.

Spoiler:

Wait I don't get that I mean isn't Munkata a minus also, so Kumagawa's championing of the minus's seems a bit strange. I mean if this was a normal or abnormal I'd understand but shouldn't they be on a equal footing here? I mean it's all fine and dandy to say minus's always try to put a smile on regardless of the situation but the other guys a minus not smiling and is kicking your ass.

Unless Munkata is no longer a minus but even then he rarely smiled.

[[HearT]]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

Spoiler:

Wait I don't get that I mean isn't Munkata a minus also, so Kumagawa's championing of the minus's seems a bit strange. I mean if this was a normal or abnormal I'd understand but shouldn't they be on a equal footing here? I mean it's all fine and dandy to say minus's always try to put a smile on regardless of the situation but the other guys a minus not smiling and is kicking your ass.

Unless Munkata is no longer a minus but even then he rarely smiled.

Munakata never was a minus. He has always been an abnormal.

Thanks for the pics Lummie :3

Spoiler for .:

When the spoil said he was forcing a smile, I didn't think he would literally be forcing it with his hand, it's so cute yet insanely sad looking at the same time

[Lummie]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

Spoiler:

Wait I don't get that I mean isn't Munkata a minus also, so Kumagawa's championing of the minus's seems a bit strange. I mean if this was a normal or abnormal I'd understand but shouldn't they be on a equal footing here? I mean it's all fine and dandy to say minus's always try to put a smile on regardless of the situation but the other guys a minus not smiling and is kicking your ass.

Unless Munkata is no longer a minus but even then he rarely smiled.

Spoiler for 120:

According to the earlier spoiler text, Kuma tells Munakata that he thought that Munakata was something along the lines of a minus. However, Kuma states that he was wrong since a minus keeps smiling no matter what (something Kei doesn't) and he shows it by forcibly putting up a smile.

[urca]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

Spoiler:

Wait I don't get that I mean isn't Munkata a minus also, so Kumagawa's championing of the minus's seems a bit strange. I mean if this was a normal or abnormal I'd understand but shouldn't they be on a equal footing here? I mean it's all fine and dandy to say minus's always try to put a smile on regardless of the situation but the other guys a minus not smiling and is kicking your ass.

Unless Munkata is no longer a minus but even then he rarely smiled.

Spoiler for @_@:

Munakata's an abnormal,as far as we've seen.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Spoiler:

Ummm perhaps this chapter changed it but Munkata was never hinted at being an abnormal before I have no idea where you guys got that. He was used as the example for a minus when they were introduced. Which makes your notion all the more strange.

Any I guess that makes him an not equal now? Or a very, very strange abnormal/