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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 40 | 42.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 34.74% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 12.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 5.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.11% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-09-09, 05:10 | Link #3861 | ||
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I totally agree that the secondary characters should have had more screentime. I hope that new movie takes care of that. It actually was, to the detriment of other aspects. But that is what happens with all Macross sequels, they focus on one element of the original SDFM and really push it over the top. Macross 7 was about music, Macross Plus about flying ( and music and romance... it was better balanced than the other sequels ), Macross Zero about... Kawamori smoking too much weed and Macross Frontier was about romance. Quote:
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2012-09-09, 05:23 | Link #3862 | |
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I won't agree with the rest of that post (because I simply don't agree with a lot of it), but believe it or not, magnus and Ozuma-Rii, Kags was completely and utterly right about this:
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Except that, in Japan, only Alto is ever referred to as the protagonist. The girls tend to be referred to as the two heroines. As far as I know, anyway. With that, I'll leave you guys and gals to it.
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2012-09-09, 06:14 | Link #3865 | ||
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2012-09-09, 06:26 | Link #3867 |
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The other girls never even appeared in Sword Art Online until after the completion of the first novel, (the anime has side storys inserted in a correct timeline) so it really is a no contest lol.
Anyway I really should watch the movies some day but I rarely have time for anime, the 10 episodes of Sword Art are like the only anime i've seen in a month and I watched them over a two day period. |
2012-09-09, 07:16 | Link #3869 | |
Heya~ I am a Ranka-addict
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So, 1-1, 1 all, in their respective continuities. Unless they make a third movie, I doubt we will ever know who won the final match. Then again Kawamori can troll us by making a fourth movie. And tell us to wait on the 40th Macross anniversary before telling us who really won. But this is about the TV show on my part, so I am voluntary on having my post disappear in "Relentless Flame" when the admin comes. If my post violates, that is. *Just trying to get a point across to one guy* I still want to fold a Ghost V9 to where Alto is by the end of the movie. Eheheheheh...
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2012-09-09, 07:39 | Link #3870 | |||||
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BTW, I laughed at your comment about Zero. I thought the same thing when watching it. I was so lost in the point behind the actual story. It was supposed to be a prequel to SDFM and yet I saw no actual tie to it. And yet MF is so popular... ironically, people often complain about the lack of action in it. I am one of those people who'd love to see more fights. Quote:
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Alto is the main character, the protagonist, and the hero. It is his story that we are viewing. And the movies downplay it to a point where a viewer would go "this is who's story again?" That is why I dislike it. You don't have to. For us AR fans, at least the ones really devoted like myself, he took a death nap at the end of the movie due to karma, having confessed to the wrong girl, and we'll never see him again. He got what he deserved for choosing the wrong path. We prefer TV!Alto. He was very different. Movie!Alto was a waste of screen time, as he had little development that truly shined through. Then he goes and scraps all of his development just to do a kabuki dance in the sky and create and Aquarion-centre-mixed-with-Zero crappy ending. What an epic fail. So you don't need a Ghost V-9 to take out Alto, he's already dead after the movie to AR fans. TV!Alto lives on.
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2012-09-09, 07:55 | Link #3871 | |
Heya~ I am a Ranka-addict
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GRAHH ALTO SAOTOME WHY ARE YOU SUCH A LOSER IN THE MOVIES?! "Alto, we decided to deliver you your birthday present!" Alto: Am I going to be saved by Ranka? *Witnesses Itano Circus and my Ghost V9* I am sure he is dead now~ TV!Alto is pleased that his wussy counterpart is killed. A death nap is too easy on him.
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2012-09-09, 07:55 | Link #3872 | ||
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Many things have been said about Sheryl's character development that you can easily find reference so I won't get into it(the ensuing discussions that followed after Ghostlightning's good post are a good read). What I did find most fascinating though, was how the progression of Sheryl's character had caused a dramatic shift fandom perceptions of her; for example, in its peak back in 2008, Livejournal itself was a haven for Ranka fans, with poll numbers conducted heavily against Sheryl. However, by the near end of the series, the results were overturned: it was now Sheryl who had the upper hand, and from the comments, many fans who had once harboured dislike for her evidently had a change of heart. If you ask, you'll find that a few Sheryl fans had the same experience as well (myself included). I believe Ranka was still popular - but the shift in people's perceptions of Sheryl was most dramatic during the airing of the latter half of the series: where Sheryl's character underwent a significant turning point. And on the other end of the spectrum, Ranka's own popularity suffered only after Episode 20. It was amazing to watch, but hey, I did recall defending her and blergh, Westlo and the others weren't having any of it. You could argue that the "fanservice" do play a part in her upsurge in popularity, but I'd give most of the credit to, simply put, good character development. (It helps also, if you're watching the series on a weekly basis, as opposed to devouring it at one go: that's possibly a reason why you thought she was lacking. It's the #1 reason why people tend to overlook details lol) Quote:
This isn't referring to you, but it's astounding how reluctant some fans are in accepting this clarification in favor of their bias, even with a direct reference from the source itself. Shipping is a passionate activity, but sometimes, yes, Japanese Animu encourages you to see past surface value and think. |
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2012-09-09, 08:29 | Link #3873 | |
Heya~ I am a Ranka-addict
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Well, Klan, you had me. But he did mention that he'd want to... do something to Ranka, eh? (Kill, I know... just can't say it) Ah, well. BTW, if you'd like a justification of Ranka's character, you can view my counter to magnuskn. If I am being biased please inform me so that I can either a) Clarify or b) dismiss my argument.
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2012-09-09, 08:29 | Link #3874 | |
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I can't say much for the series polls, but the movie polls were inconsistent. I think a lot of people forgot about MF whilst waiting for the movies. Not many actually watched the movie that were originally dedicated to the series. So the polls for it are not overall popular, especially if you're looking for a review too.
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But I disagree that Alto doesn't admit his love for Ranka in that scene, after all; he talks of how he came to join the S.M.S. just moments before and admits his feelings for her.
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2012-09-09, 08:39 | Link #3875 | |
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Yep. This is also one of the character development points. Alto, torn between himself and his job as a pilot.
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2012-09-09, 09:03 | Link #3876 | |
Dame Cheesie
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You could say that, and yet, not quite in the context that you're thinking of. I recall Swampstorm being rather passionate about this subject, and might I invite him to offer his two cents on the issue, for the reason being that he simply loves to talk.
Trust me, you'll be pretty impressed with what we've come up with after dissecting this series for five years. Stay for the long run, and also, welcome to the forums. (And Swampie, do not literally hand me 2c cents, because if you do, I will backhand you for your fail unfunnies.) Edit: Quote:
But it's not a very inspiring argument to pick up when most of the attacks consist of people hurling stones whenever any Macross canon world cements Alto/Sheryl as a pairing, as if doing so would give credit to the other ship, instead of using that energy to build the Alto and Ranka's case up. Then again, why would they? There's nothing there to be built on. This isn't meant to be condescending, but when you have all these materials advocating the status of a pairing, and choosing to leave another alone, in this case, Alto x Ranka, then perhaps there may indeed be a message they're intending to spell out, and it's time to move on. But shipping will be shipping, it's a wonder how people don't tire of it... (oh cheesie, speak for yourself :E) Seriously, fanon isn't as bad as it sounds. Last edited by cheesie; 2012-09-09 at 09:56. |
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