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Arturia Polaris · 2012-01-21, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

We're going to need to find the contents of the bill and compare it to the old PIPA/SOPA bills. And if they match way too much, we'll just have to make people aware of it.

The thing is that this isn't a way to prosecute people. This is a way to keep EVERYONE's internet history for 18 months past, in an attempt to find child molesters. Effectively giving the government control over 18 months of history of everyone, is a potential disaster.

If you google anything you could easily be blacklisted. For example imagine someone hitting google to find something with "al qaeda" and bam, you get blacklisted and the next thing you know is the FBI is knocking your door down, on the way to guantanamo.

I'm worried that we might one day wake up in 1984

TigerII · 2012-01-21, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Tong

Oh man, if this passes every America "Enemy" will so exploit that.

I do find Humorous how the US criticizes China and Iran for having censored net, yet it is doing the same thing.

rip! · 2012-01-21, 13:25

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Originally Posted by TigerII

This WILL pass. Anytime children are involved, it always passes. And yes, the file storing sites are going to disappear one by one, because what they do is already covered in the 1999 Millennium law.

You're not quite the optimistic, are you?

But yeah this was quite a play of cards, like most things the government do. Inserting a way to having control over the internet flux under the name of 'children pornography' is indeed the way to fool most unaware people. And I think they'll put a good explanation about it, like how children pornography is bad, and about the molesters.. I hope no one bites it.

Arturia Polaris · 2012-01-21, 13:28

Its a great tactical decision. It'll make people who oppose the law immediately branded "child molester" by the below average IQ american citizens, which admitedly are a lot. It'll take a LOT of campaigning to bring this law down.

1984 here we come

Dhomochevsky · 2012-01-21, 14:01

So this time you are only screwing over U.S. citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.
Phew...
Oh well, you will still end up giving our guys here ideas. They are trying to get something like that for years now. Until now, I think the main reason it did not fly was, that the ISPs don't feel like spending money to implement this.

Xellos-_^ · 2012-01-21, 14:11

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Originally Posted by Niker117

Its a great tactical decision. It'll make people who oppose the law immediately branded "child molester" by the below average IQ american citizens, which admitedly are a lot. It'll take a LOT of campaigning to bring this law down.

1984 here we come

Joseph McCarthy is alive and well.

You Are a Red

Arturia Polaris · 2012-01-21, 14:18

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Joseph McCarthy is alive and well.

You Are a Red

Thou are a witch! The devil is attacking me through you! Make it stop!

(Salem anyone?)

Lost Cause · 2012-01-21, 14:32

I don't think this this version will fly either. The fact that they will try to wrap it up as some sort of Child Protection Act and it will find some supporters who either don't understand or realize what it really stands for, it's been my experience of late that most people are getting VERY fed up with "big government" trying to micro manage their lives!
So even though Rosie, and Oprah will tout it as a saving of our society from pediophiles, child porn and such, I truly believe that "Average Joe and JoAnn" will see thru the smoke screen. It all just depends on how well they "spin" it to us as too who swallows it!
This is one of those times when the youth of America (and us old farts who don't like government BS) can actually teach the "sheeple" and uninformed about this!

Arturia Polaris · 2012-01-21, 14:39

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Originally Posted by Lost Cause

I don't think this this version will fly either. The fact that they will try to wrap it up as some sort of Child Protection Act and it will find some supporters who either don't understand or realize what it really stands for, it's been my experience of late that most people are getting VERY fed up with "big government" trying to micro manage their lives!
So even though Rosie, and Oprah will tout it as a saving of our society from pediophiles, child porn and such, I truly believe that "Average Joe and JoAnn" will see thru the smoke screen. It all just depends on how well they "spin" it to us as too who swallows it!
This is one of those times when the youth of America (and us old farts who don't like government BS) can actually teach the "sheeple" and uninformed about this!

Then again, the same people were trying to pass a law to destroy the internet. They don't really know how it all works, and someone behind the scenes with a personal agenda, tries to push these acts through congress. I just hope that we turn the fans full blast and clear all this smoke to reveal the enemy.

And the fans are just normal people raising awareness

Xellos-_^ · 2012-01-21, 14:57

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Originally Posted by Lost Cause

I don't think this this version will fly either. The fact that they will try to wrap it up as some sort of Child Protection Act and it will find some supporters who either don't understand or realize what it really stands for, it's been my experience of late that most people are getting VERY fed up with "big government" trying to micro manage their lives!
So even though Rosie, and Oprah will tout it as a saving of our society from pediophiles, child porn and such, I truly believe that "Average Joe and JoAnn" will see thru the smoke screen. It all just depends on how well they "spin" it to us as too who swallows it!
This is one of those times when the youth of America (and us old farts who don't like government BS) can actually teach the "sheeple" and uninformed about this!

you are a commie!!
you are a commie!!
you are a commie!!
you are a commie!!
you are a commie!!

Solafighter · 2012-01-21, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Kameruka

They killed Megaupload, what's next? Fileserve? Rapidshare? Mediafire?

SOPA, you.....->http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...fuChw3bI#t=11s

speedyexpress48 · 2012-01-21, 15:07

Eh, I get it now.

So...

If say a 10-year girl gets caught doing...something, then she is automatically a child molester even though her kind is what child molesters target in the first place.

It's a win. I'm sold!

Then again, unless you happen to hit only the more sane states (West Coast and other Western states, parts of the Midwest (Chicago), parts of the south (Houston, Atlanta, Miami), and parts of the Northeast (Boston, NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh) you would think America is pretty much insane.

Strange Chameleon · 2012-01-21, 15:53

I guess I have to call and write to my senator for every new bill that comes out in the foreseeable future. So many new bills to take away our rights and not enough to protect them.

speedyexpress48 · 2012-01-21, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Strange Chameleon

I guess I have to call and write to my senator for every new bill that comes out in the foreseeable future. So many new bills to take away our rights and not enough to protect them.

Or maybe if you have the skills, maybe just decide to run for Congress. Hey, we can dream

Kamui4356 · 2012-01-21, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

We're going to need to find the contents of the bill and compare it to the old PIPA/SOPA bills. And if they match way too much, we'll just have to make people aware of it.

You make this sound like it's difficult. 5 minutes in google, and the only reason it took so long is because the OP gave the wrong name. It's the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011. Protecting Children From Internet Predators Act was a bill from 1997.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1981

Note that I didn't read it before posting it.

Solafighter · 2012-01-21, 17:18

lol

Dhomochevsky · 2012-01-21, 17:45

Small problem with that vid:
If it's not illegal in the UK, then you cannot extradite someone to the UK and get them locked up for it there. The US is the one with the messed up laws in this case, thats why abducted people only move towards there, never away (the iron bars are in the way).

Jaden · 2012-01-21, 18:19

I don't understand why the UK gives accused people up to the US when there isn't even a case of dual criminality and the crime in question is akin to petty theft...

Random32 · 2012-01-21, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Kamui4356

You make this sound like it's difficult. 5 minutes in google, and the only reason it took so long is because the OP gave the wrong name. It's the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011. Protecting Children From Internet Predators Act was a bill from 1997.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1981

Note that I didn't read it before posting it.

Sorry about that... Should proofread more often.

NeoChan · 2012-01-21, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Random32

PCIP is Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act.

I don't mind acts that aims to protect children so the ACT should be rechecked for "unwanted insertions" in the act as it is being put up....

The exaggerated effects of this act in anime... is probably on "Loli fans" and "highschool" themed animes....

2012-01-21, 15:07	Link #32
speedyexpress48 Boo, you whore Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Smokin that CO bong	Eh, I get it now. So... If say a 10-year girl gets caught doing...something, then she is automatically a child molester even though her kind is what child molesters target in the first place. It's a win. I'm sold! Then again, unless you happen to hit only the more sane states (West Coast and other Western states, parts of the Midwest (Chicago), parts of the south (Houston, Atlanta, Miami), and parts of the Northeast (Boston, NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh) you would think America is pretty much insane. __________________ Your Friendly Bitcoin Trader\|Go Avs/Broncos

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2012-01-21, 18:19	Link #38
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	I don't understand why the UK gives accused people up to the US when there isn't even a case of dual criminality and the crime in question is akin to petty theft... __________________

2012-01-21, 13:28	Link #24
Arturia Polaris Good OP Hunter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Argentina	Its a great tactical decision. It'll make people who oppose the law immediately branded "child molester" by the below average IQ american citizens, which admitedly are a lot. It'll take a LOT of campaigning to bring this law down. 1984 here we come

2012-01-21, 14:01	Link #25
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	So this time you are only screwing over U.S. citizens and leave the rest of the world alone. Phew... Oh well, you will still end up giving our guys here ideas. They are trying to get something like that for years now. Until now, I think the main reason it did not fly was, that the ISPs don't feel like spending money to implement this.

2012-01-21, 14:32	Link #28
Lost Cause Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia Age: 46	I don't think this this version will fly either. The fact that they will try to wrap it up as some sort of Child Protection Act and it will find some supporters who either don't understand or realize what it really stands for, it's been my experience of late that most people are getting VERY fed up with "big government" trying to micro manage their lives! So even though Rosie, and Oprah will tout it as a saving of our society from pediophiles, child porn and such, I truly believe that "Average Joe and JoAnn" will see thru the smoke screen. It all just depends on how well they "spin" it to us as too who swallows it! This is one of those times when the youth of America (and us old farts who don't like government BS) can actually teach the "sheeple" and uninformed about this!

2012-01-21, 15:53	Link #33
Strange Chameleon Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	I guess I have to call and write to my senator for every new bill that comes out in the foreseeable future. So many new bills to take away our rights and not enough to protect them.

2012-01-21, 17:45	Link #37
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	Small problem with that vid: If it's not illegal in the UK, then you cannot extradite someone to the UK and get them locked up for it there. The US is the one with the messed up laws in this case, thats why abducted people only move towards there, never away (the iron bars are in the way).