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I kinda agree. I you know how to handle her, she is a fun person. She is very annoying to most, however. And her acts to the CCP prooves she can be 'dangerous' too. Last edited by Heatth; 2009-08-27 at 05:31. |
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2009-08-27, 05:38 | Link #42 |
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With the exception of the Nagato part, the FIRST novel spells it out. Mikuru is completely convinced that her merely being close to Kyon is enough to set Haruhi off, and she only admits to being from the future when Kyon asks about her personal life.
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We, as fans, are assuming HaruhiKyon is predestined... and it might be... or it could, in theory, simply be the Haruhi has a long crush on Kyon and Kyon helps her out for a key period of time, but she ends up with another guy... freeing Kyon up for Mikuru or Nagato. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility - I mean, it's certainly not likely, but it's not like the novel has absolutely blocked itself off from this avenue. One more thing I want to say on Kyon, and I'm surprised that I haven't mentioned it yet... He is the ultimate anti-exploitation character. He is so anti-exploitation/opportunistic that it's incredible - it's definitely one of his more admirable character traits in a morality sense, but also paradoxically one of his more questionable character traits in an intellectual sense. Kyon basically knows that there's a girl with high-end reality altering powers that is very attached to him. Now... you don't have to be a megalomaniacal villain to see the possibilities here. In fact, I should hope that everybody sees the possibilities inherent in this situation right now, before reading further. I think that almost any character (other than Kyon) would at least be tempted to do the following given his situation... 1) Be really, really nice to Haruhi, do everything possible to get on her good side (up to and including becoming her boyfriend), and even leave her feeling indebted to you in some way if at all possible. 2) Then tell her how powerful she is, and persuade her to believe it. Use the "I am John Smith" line to make her consider that what you're telling her is true. On another board, I wrote the sort of dialogue that I think could get Haruhi to really test out her powers. 3) If you successfully complete steps 1 and 2... you now have, in essence, a fully self-aware genie with limitless wish-granting abilities that's your best friend/girlfriend. Eat your heart out, Disney's Alladin! "Hey, Haruhi, why don't you have... I strike a Dr. Evil voice and look: One trillion yen!... just magically appear in two brand new Swiss bank accounts for you and me? Imagine what we could do with that money!" "Hey, Haruhi, why not make us immortal, eh?" "Hey, Haruhi, wouldn't it be cool to own an animation studio?" "Hey, Haruhi, why not make yourself Prime Minister of Japan and me Prime Minister of Canada? It would be a blast!" And so on, and so forth. It just blows me away that Kyon doesn't even once seem to consider going down this path. Sure, dude, you find her annoying, but still... think of the possibilities! In this sense, in particular, Kyon is perfect for hiding the fact that Haruhi is so powerful from her. A lot of people in his situation would try to take advantage of it, I think.
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2009-08-27, 07:00 | Link #44 |
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You forget that he has two reality-altering girls in his life, and while the other is (supposedly) limited in comparison, she's already at the "willing to do anything Kyon asks" stage, and has pretty much been that way since Melancholy.
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Regardless, because the novels are basically setting up the two, that's just the way I've read it up until now. I think Heatth explained it better than I did, anyway. |
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If the novel actually ends with a definitive couple it's gonna be KyonHaruhi... but that's only if it's a definitive ending and not some open-ended a day in the life of the SOS-dan ending. |
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Furthermore, GMT earlier put forward some reasons for why Haruhi chose Kyon - snarkiness was not one of them. Quote:
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I don't think that Yuki would entertain suggestions that she would likely consider frivolous - like monetary enrichment.
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2009-08-27, 10:57 | Link #50 | |
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Something like that. Shame there's no pictures of them being the other way around.
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I agree.... Wait! I was already agreeing! You don't need to agree back.
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Oh, I see what you mean now. Tough it might be you who was expecting too much... exept it was what was happeing few volumes before. |
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2009-08-27, 11:51 | Link #55 |
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Actually, I prefer Nagato in a supporting role. Just feels weird to have that someone like her taking the center stage for an extended period of time.
But... we have another topic to discuss Nagato. She doesn't need to take this one.
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The only part where I didn't like Kyon so much (In the anime, I've never read the light novels) was actually his introductory diatribe about never believing in Santa Claus. There's no better way to come across as soulless and obnoxiously pragmatic than to describe at length how you lacked imagination even as a kid... not to mention that sort of conversation always annoyed me back in elementary school. "I stopped believing in Santa when I was six!" "I've known he's fake since I was three!" Yeah, congrats on being the most street-smart toddler around, I guess. I believed in him until I was 10 or 11 and enjoyed Christmas more because of it. The first impressions were forgotten quickly enough, though, as I realized that Kyon was not a pseudo-intellectual teenager as I first thought, but... well, Kyon. His negativity hasn't bothered me that much mainly because it's aimed at deserving targets (Haruhi and Koizumi; with everyone else, he seems pretty magnanimous and polite both in his discourse and internal monologues), but of course I haven't read the novels, where every line of exposition comes from Kyon and we get a better look into his head. |
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Spoiler for Novel 2, Prologue:
The next instance is in Chapter 1 of Sighs... Spoiler for Sighs Chapter 1:
One short narration in Chapter 1... Spoiler for Chapter 1 spoiler:
Get a load of this comparison between Haruhi and Mikuru... Spoiler for Chapter 1 of Sighs:
More Chapter 1 coming up... Spoiler for Chapter 1 of Sighs:
Now, some short zingers... (my comments for each is in paranthesis). Spoiler for Sighs spoilers in general:
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In fairness, Kyon's a fair bit better in the anime - they tend to edit out or soften some of his harsher lines. But in the novels...
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1) To actively challenge Haruhi in a some what playful manner. 2) To cover up his own feelings. (Koizumi points this out a couple times) As for any other coupling, PURE DELUSION! You can lie to yourselves all you want but it's gonna be KyonHaruhi or an open ended one. |
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