(L) Bakuman

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Cinocard

Well, because the publisher is the one own the copyright. The author is paid to make manga, they do not own it. It's like medical scientists researching stuff, but they do not own the patient to a new discovery. The company that pay them does.

You know the DC and Marvel owns the copyrights to all their comics. Once an author get a publisher they basically sell the copyrights to the publisher. The only time that doesn't happen is when the author get in a publishing deal where the author keeps the rights. Like when someone has a webcomic and they want to publish it on paper and have it distributed. They retain the copyright because otherwise they couldn't keep publishing on the web. There is the option of selfpublishing for direct sale to their internet audience like many have done.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Claies

Apparently Shujin doesn't really think like Mashiro would, because it took a personal attack for him to turn down Miura. Not sure if that's a good thing.

Only Mashiro different take on the things was already noted as being better on they made-together manga. That both of them see things that other do not. Also it's entirely possible that Mashiro thought that if he would agree here that editor always would require from them gag manga and more gags. I would too.

[Dark Mage]

Originally Posted by al103

Only Mashiro different take on the things was already noted as being better on they made-together manga. That both of them see things that other do not. Also it's entirely possible that Mashiro thought that if he would agree here that editor always would require from them gag manga and more gags. I would too.

Yeah and its really hard to keep yourself motivated in doing something when your heart's not really in it. Like Mashiro doesnt like to draw Gag mangas at all while Shujin has to think alot to make-up jokes as its just not his nature. So if they do choose the gag manga. they will be doing something thats against their nature and it will feel like they are being forced and its more than ikely the quality will drop. I never liked Miura from the beginning as he is even more immature than two high-school kids, is much too emotional to become a good editor. Mashiro and Shujin deserve someone like Hattori

[Maji]

Originally Posted by Dark Mage

Yeah and its really hard to keep yourself motivated in doing something when your heart's not really in it. Like Mashiro doesnt like to draw Gag mangas at all while Shujin has to think alot to make-up jokes as its just not his nature. So if they do choose the gag manga. they will be doing something thats against their nature and it will feel like they are being forced and its more than ikely the quality will drop. I never liked Miura from the beginning as he is even more immature than two high-school kids, is much too emotional to become a good editor. Mashiro and Shujin deserve someone like Hattori

I totally agree with the last statement you made and hope this is really a actual break from Miura instead of them just coming to terms with one another later. Miura just doesn't seem to understand Mashiro and Shujin while Hattori did and was able to work well with them. I'd eventually like to see them working with Hattori again but I can't see that happening for some reason or another. The authors seem to enjoy writing about Miura unfortunately and I can see him sticking around regardless of how annoying is. Get off the comedy kick already, they don't have any interest in Gag manga! D;

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Dark Mage

I never liked Miura from the beginning as he is even more immature than two high-school kids, is much too emotional to become a good editor. Mashiro and Shujin deserve someone like Hattori

You see, the intial success of Trap was thanks to hottari. I don't remember how many chapters they initially had done with Hattari input, but those were the chapters that had the best ratings. I
still say that Trap started to decline with the chapters that had Miura input.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by golthin

You see, the intial success of Trap was thanks to hottari. I don't remember how many chapters they initially had done with Hattari input, but those were the chapters that had the best ratings. I still say that Trap started to decline with the chapters that had Miura input.

If I remember correctly, the pair never really had Hattori's input for Trap during its series run. Hattori got as far as starting them up and pushing Trap through to serialization, but everything after that was turned over to Miura. I still believe that Trap failed due to a combination of Mashiro's illness forcing them to drop the ball just when it's at its peak, and all the copycat authors who saturated the already niche genre.

Is it just me or is Miura the only editor who actually intervened in the content of his series? The other editors only really talked about style, and Hattori kept his hands off after he decided that Ashirogi could consistently make good names on their own.

[Foreshadow]

Originally Posted by Claies

If I remember correctly, the pair never really had Hattori's input for Trap during its series run. Hattori got as far as starting them up and pushing Trap through to serialization, but everything after that was turned over to Miura. I still believe that Trap failed due to a combination of Mashiro's illness forcing them to drop the ball just when it's at its peak, and all the copycat authors who saturated the already niche genre.

Is it just me or is Miura the only editor who actually intervened in the content of his series? The other editors only really talked about style, and Hattori kept his hands off after he decided that Ashirogi could consistently make good names on their own.

I would have to say, Because Hattori allowed them to do what they wanted is why they were so successful. Miura forcefully interjecting into the Manga is never good. Isn't the editor supposed to review their work, then tell them what could be improved? Editors Work on perfecting the presented product, not interjecting into the beginning phase. Advice is fine, but I don't think they should mess with what the Author has in mind.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Claies

If I remember correctly, the pair never really had Hattori's input for Trap during its series run.

They had his input for BEFORE series run. At least 12 chapters IIRC.

[War_Lord]

Think it'd be possible for Shujin to work with two artists at the same time? I was thinking Mashirou and Shujin can work on Future watch together, while Shujin works on Ten with a different artist. Its a win win situation, but I guess it'd be too much of a hassle for Shujin especially since he's in college now.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by al103

They had his input for BEFORE series run. At least 12 chapters IIRC.

which are the most important chapters, at least the first 10 chapters. Remember that mangaka that get their manga canceled after the first 10 chapters rarely get another manga out. Mashirou was concerned about not being canceled within 10 chapters.

[kayote]

i doubt that Shujin qould work on two different series at the same time cause him and mashro are a pair. they have worked together sense there start and they get on with ech other. thay have a bond. Miura made a big mistake in trying spllit them up. as there editor for Trap he should know of there bond.

i can kind of see it from Miura's point of view as he did do his research and he does want to see them published again however he should not have said that and tried to see it from there point of view as well. he should not have been so stubbern. he might come to regret it later on.

i do think that they might make up but, w'll have to see how the manga-ka goes about the relationship.

[ShootingStars]

they started it together and promised to stay together
why split them apart
their editor is so noob

[Maji]

Waiting for the next chapter is torture D;

[kakakka]

Chapter 60

Spoiler for 60:

I knew Shujin and Aoki would work together someday! It came true! Though it just some kind of collaboration for their own mangas, not as joint authors for a manga

And Ashirogi is doing a gag manga.

EDIT: Oh yeah, there's a new girl. She's a bit interested why Aoki writes manga.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by kakakka

Chapter 60

Spoiler for 60:

I knew Shujin and Aoki would work together someday! It came true! Though it just some kind of collaboration for their own mangas, not as joint authors for a manga

And Ashirogi is doing a gag manga.

EDIT: Oh yeah, there's a new girl. She's a bit interested why Aoki writes manga.

old, not new

she was in chp11.

[kakakka]

Really? Never remembered of her. So yep

EDIT: I checked since I really didn't remember, but now that I know, it was interesting they're brought her back.

I wonder what her role would be in the future. (EDIT: novel - manga comparison?)

[Kafriel]

Hopefully not romance for the mains...can you imagine Ashirogi going for Aoki and her friend, and then start the drama with their previous gfs?

[kakakka]

Nah, I don't think so. Mashiro got that girl (EDIT: Miho) and Shujin's top priority is manga.

My thoughts about Aoki and Shujin working together isn't really at romantic side, but as authors. They like to write stories, but they're different. Now that they're willing to work together, I'm eager to know how this will work out.

[Xellos-_^]

but the endless possiblities of having aoki working with Shunji is really too good to pass up.

[Freeter]

Spoiler for 60:

This sudden ShujinxAoki collabo makes me feel giddy for some reason Thank goodness she didn't run back to Nakai.

Miura redeemed himself in this chapter. Still not too keen on his bias for gags, but I have a feeling he's definitely going to improve from here on out. If he and Ashirogi can pump out something as good as Gintama then he'll earn a lot more credibility.

Returning girl will probably end up doing manga also. Hopefully she doesn't get paired with Nakai or a similar loser.