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2012-03-06, 10:38 | Link #122 | ||||||
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Hints doesn't disappear when they don't turn up into what you though they would, they are still an integrant part of the story. In part 1 the entire character of Kabuto was built on the hints that he was potentially a treacherous fellow even to Orochimaru. The hints were always there :
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The fact that it seemed antithetical with the notion of his monstruous brother (which has nothing to do with strength) is the whole point of the flachback. I mean do you really read what you write? Why would Sasuke throw in that Itachi was crying? What about because he actually saw him cry? He couldn't believe he really did because he couldn't accept it after what his brother had done. Hell, it's not like we're guessing at this point, we were flatly told this is the case. Which by the way is a point you haven't addressed yet again, you claimed that it didn't refer to Itachi because Sasuke didn't remember which is false. Quote:
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Itachi said as much to Naruto, he expected Sasuke to return to Konoha and walk the "right path" blahblahblah. Instead Sasuke learned the truth and wasn't so happy about it. Well maybe not the truth, considering the author inability to soil Konoha's good name I wouldn't be surprised if we get to learn that the Uchiha were all evil Juubist who secretely intended to bring it back to earth. Or something. Quote:
There was no logical process in Minato's decision. He believed, period. And being who he is, everything turned out even better than expected. Itachi on the other hand is supposed to have done all this to make Sasuke a hero walking the "right path". So what does he do after killing their family? He tortures him, beats him up, tells him to live a unsigthly live, embrace his hatred and kill his best friend to gain enough power to face him. What does he do the next time they met when Sasuke had actually made a few friends and started to warm up to others in spite of himself? More of the same, more torture, more beating and more about the necessity to become a hatefull person living only for revenge. It's in fact quite surprising that Sasuke needed so much outside help from other villains to turn up into the fine gentleman he has now become because as I said you wouldn't do any different if you intended to transform a kid into a raging, insane sociopath. Except that when it finally happens Itachi is all bothered and wonder where it all went wrong. I mean "blank canvas"? Manipulated by Tobi? That's bull, Itachi is the main and nearly sole reason of Sasuke's the state of mind today. For someone supposed to be so smart (and such a loving brother, hah!) the whole thing simply doesn't make any sense. |
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2012-03-06, 11:33 | Link #123 | |
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With regards to the "right path," Itachi's backup plan with the crow would seem to suggest that he cared more about it being the end result than he did about it being Sasuke's choice. I'm not saying this is even probably the case, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Itachi's motivations are a lot more focused on his duty to the village and his own emotional needs, with Sasuke simply having been a tool to use to those ends. |
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2012-03-06, 13:22 | Link #124 | ||
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2012-03-06, 17:06 | Link #125 | |
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His discussion with Naruto before and after his death made obvious that Sasuke's future is very important to him, he didn't give Naruto the crow before Naruto told him that he would never kill Sasuke no matter what even if Sasuke turned against Konoha, that somehow he would find another way. That's the reason he decided to trust Naruto to handle Sasuke and it makes no sense if you only take duty and guilt into account. |
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2012-03-07, 01:20 | Link #126 |
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The Chapter 577 thread has been opened. Please move all relevant discussions to the new thread.
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2012-03-07, 12:44 | Link #127 |
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Great chapter, however.. One thing bothers me. Now they say Hashirama was the strongest shinobi. Madara says that not even the 5 kages together can compare with him, and that the Madara / Hashirama fight was on a complete different scale.
So why was he (+ his brother) beaten by Sarutobi, years ago in the Oruchimaru / Sarutobi fight? |
2012-03-07, 15:18 | Link #128 | |
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B) Orochimaru's battle was far more psychological than physical: he wanted to make Hiruzen suffer the agony of fighting his teachers and student rather than take him out quickly, and Hiruzen couldn't bring himself to get serious about taking out Orochimaru until it was arguably too late for it to be a real fight. No one was fighting at 100% in that battle. Think of how unimpressive Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan was in the original Star Wars movie for reference. C) If we want to be technical, all he said was that ninjas as powerful as Hashirama don't exist anymore... Hiruzen doesn't exist anymore. |
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