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RWBladewing · 2010-04-09, 12:17

I've been pvp'ing quite a bit lately and the main change I'd like to see for rogues is to make Vanish actually do something. I don't think I've ever managed to use the ability and not have it broken immediately if anyone was in 10 feet of me. I don't think it's just me either as I see the same thing happen to every rogue I fight against.

Hunter lv 1-10 was the worst part of the entire game and I went through it at least 6 times if not more (Yes, I really rolled that many separate hunters. Wish they'd come out with race/server changes much earlier so I didn't end up wasting all that time). Glad they're finally getting rid of that.

Edit: Make that 7 hunters actually. Yeah, I was pretty fickle.

Ithekro · 2010-04-11, 14:11

All classes but Paladin has had their previews now. Paladin in about five days.

One wonders if Beta will start the following week.

Last Sinner · 2010-04-11, 18:16

I'm....kind of confused with the proposed Mage changes....I'm not sure whether they're good or stupid.

Xacual · 2010-04-11, 18:36

The mage changes look good to me. I especially like that wall of fog is not channeled so you can put a blizzard on top of it or fire flame orbs through it!

Ithekro · 2010-04-11, 22:30

How about stupid good?

Warlocks seem slightly apathetic to their changes. The aren't sure it they are good, bad, or just making the class redundant.

Mr Hat and Clogs · 2010-04-11, 23:27

Well the big warlock changes we knew about ages ago, so most the people in the know won't be really excited about those.

I wasn't really excited too much by the mage changes really... that Fire Orb seems kinda gimmicky - think about how effective Taldaram's orb is in practice. It's either gona have to hit real hard or hit like a machine gun.

Fog sounds kinda hilarious tbh, but more pvp related maybe, could be useful in PVE... for some reason it cracked me right the hell up when I read about it though (lol Sailor Mercury?), anyways... could be used for add swarms I guess.

Kyero Fox · 2010-04-11, 23:50

why does paladin get released so much farther than the others? maybe we get something special!

Ithekro · 2010-04-12, 00:00

Something special, or they know the changes will overload the forum with complaining and to avoid an overload they made sure most of the others would be done first.

(lol, Sailor Mercury...hadn't thought of that..."Why is my attack so useless?"..a-al SMA version)

Kyero Fox · 2010-04-12, 00:21

please god let it be some kind of "Fist of the gods" or something bad ass XD or some more bad ass wings.

OOo! or how about that AoE Hammer thing from Diablo 2 or maybe the charge

Last Sinner · 2010-04-12, 19:08

Rebirth is getting nerfed back to a 30 minute cooldown. Druids are going to be really ticked off...

The lv83 spell for Mages is undeniably good. A second Heroism - do like. But the 81 and 85 ones - they seem more like novelties. I'm sure they'll be fine tuned so that they're awesome, but at present they seem rather trivial. I'm also confused as what changes they are trying to make to Arcane and what the 3rd Mastery in Frost is supposed to do.

Xacual · 2010-04-12, 19:48

The 3rd mastery for frost is so they don't only chain cast frostbolts. They'll probably cast frostbolts + fireballs or frostfire bolts.

Last Sinner · 2010-04-12, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xacual

The 3rd mastery for frost is so they don't only chain cast frostbolts. They'll probably cast frostbolts + fireballs or frostfire bolts.

It'd be Frostfire Bolt. Anything without a Chill effect is not worth using as Frost really is a PvP only spec. Casting something without a chill effect is asking to get owned. Brain Freeze never worked as a talent for that reason - even if the Fireball was instant, you'd get another Frostbolt off in that time. If that's their way of making the Frostfire Bolt spell worthwhile, it's okay but I woudl've thought they'd find a way to make it PvE worthwhile, since it's been redundant since Ulduar.

Xacual · 2010-04-12, 20:32

Well I was thinking that since you have an extra 5 talent points you could go more in fire but I don't know for sure.

Last Sinner · 2010-04-12, 21:09

Mmm...not really....20 into Arcane is the current extra on top of 51 Frost. Improved Counterspell is too important in PvP. Plus with the extra 5 points next expansion, means you can grab Presence of Mind without losing Water Elemental, which would be brilliant for PvP. As for PvE, they would have to find a way to make Frostfire Bolt better than Fireball, which would inevitably make Frost PvP more powerful, which is something they aren't too keen on since Frost Mages do very well in 2s and 3s. Frostfire Bolt just seems to be one fo those spells that sounded good in theory but fell apart in execution. Hence my reservations for Flame Orb and Fog.

Ithekro · 2010-04-13, 00:34

Remember they'll be taking out some talents. That is what the Masteries are for...taking the boring talents out of the tree so you can use those points of fun stuff.

iceyfw · 2010-04-13, 02:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWBladewing

I've been pvp'ing quite a bit lately and the main change I'd like to see for rogues is to make Vanish actually do something. I don't think I've ever managed to use the ability and not have it broken immediately if anyone was in 10 feet of me. I don't think it's just me either as I see the same thing happen to every rogue I fight against.

this quite happens a lot for rogues. you really do have to plan when to use vanish + CoS (if necessary) to get away clean and to make sure you're not within aoe range of a thunderclap or fok. rogues have been complaining about it since arena came into burning crusade and to this day, they still haven't fixed it. hell, i remember back in s1-s3 hunter and lock pets followed a rogue everywhere after vanish and still attacked them! and even that still isn't even fixed. i've had pets still following me after a vanish and the dude just follows wherever the pet goes. well, i don't play WoW anymore, but just thought i'd share my experience with you.

Last Sinner · 2010-04-13, 07:42

The same thing happens with Mage Invisibility...Why can it ditch players but not pets....retarded.

Ithekro · 2010-04-13, 11:17

The pets can still smell you.

Jaden · 2010-04-13, 16:40

I like the new mage aoe spells, sure they're situational but at least they're more impressive than something bland like a debuff or a differently colored bolt.

Last Sinner · 2010-04-13, 18:56

Zone info for Cata. First one is Mount Hyjal. And boy, this one looks awesome!

Spoiler for Mount Hyjal quest line:

For years, Mount Hyjal and the wounded World Tree, Nordrassil, have remained cut off from the rest of Azeroth. Sealed away within a protective field of dense foliage by Malfurion Stormrage, Nordrassil has been slowly recovering from the devastation of the Third War, when Malfurion called upon the tree's power to destroy the archdemon Archimonde and repel the forces of the Burning Legion and Scourge. Now, with the impending cataclysm, the World Tree's well-being is threatened once more. From the Firelands within the Elemental Plane, Ragnaros and his minions prepare to burst into Hyjal and set Nordrassil ablaze -- and the conflagration would endanger all life on Azeroth.

In World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, players will have the opportunity to explore the newly reopened Mount Hyjal as Azeroth's heroes, with the help of Ysera, Malfurion Stormrage and Hamuul Runetotem, are called upon to push back the armies of the Firelord, banish Ragnaros to the Elemental Plane and lay waste to the twilight dragon stronghold in nearby Darkwhisper Gorge. This all-new level 78-82 zone will feature multiple quest hubs, phased terrain and quest lines, portals to micro-zones within the Firelands, an all-new raid dungeon, and much more.

The World Tree

Players will be able to enter Hyjal by way of Moonglade, to take on a series of high-stakes quests in a historic location alongside some of Azeroth's most renowned heroes. With a longstanding rivalry among the night elf leadership threatening to undermine the campaign against Deathwing, players will quickly discover the task of defending Nordrassil is more daunting than they had anticipated. In order to succeed, they must seek out the help of extremely powerful allies: the Ancients.

The Ancients

To protect Nordrassil and heal the devastation the invading fire elementals are causing across Mount Hyjal, players must first recapture the shrine of the wolf god Goldrinn. The ogres surrounding the shrine will not leave peacefully, but seizing the shrine will allow players their first opportunity to infiltrate the Firelands and shut down a key Twilight portal, slowing the advance of the nearby Twilight's Hammer in Hyjal.

With the first portal dismantled, players will soon be sought by the wilderness spirit Aessina to assist in cleansing and healing the nearby forest, ultimately returning the land to its former splendor. This small victory, however, isn't enough to deter the Twilight Remnants from attempting to scorch the forest once more. As you struggle to keep these foes at bay, you'll also need to help the Guardians of Hyjal -- a new neutral faction of druids and worshippers of the Ancients -- repopulate the forest with animal life. It's even rumored that Malorne has been spotted in the wilderness. Perhaps further investigation is necessary....

Amid the chaos, the Druids of the Talon will need players' assistance to resurrect the goddess of winged creatures. Players begin the process by helping to slay a group of black dragons and closing a second Firelands portal from within. Just when you think things might be heating up, you'll need to fight through a burning night elf town to shut down the third and final portal with the assistance of the turtle god Tortollus.

Darkwhisper Gorge

Your successes in Hyjal will ultimately lead you to the assembly of the Ancients, who have set a plan in motion to bring a powerful ally and demigod back into this realm. Before that can happen, however, you will need to infiltrate Darkwhisper Gorge disguised as a follower of the Twilight's Hammer, acting quickly to sow discord within the entrenched faction, weakening it for the coming struggle. Only time will tell if the Ancients' plan is a success -- but you'll need to do your part if there's any hope of saving Mount Hyjal from the twilight dragons, Ragnaros, and his minions of the Elemental Plane.

Firelands

More information on this all-new level-85 raid dungeon is coming soon.

2010-04-11, 14:11	Link #4942
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	All classes but Paladin has had their previews now. Paladin in about five days. One wonders if Beta will start the following week. __________________

2010-04-11, 18:16	Link #4943
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	I'm....kind of confused with the proposed Mage changes....I'm not sure whether they're good or stupid. __________________

2010-04-11, 18:36	Link #4944
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	The mage changes look good to me. I especially like that wall of fog is not channeled so you can put a blizzard on top of it or fire flame orbs through it! __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2010-04-11, 22:30	Link #4945
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	How about stupid good? Warlocks seem slightly apathetic to their changes. The aren't sure it they are good, bad, or just making the class redundant. __________________

2010-04-11, 23:27	Link #4946
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	Well the big warlock changes we knew about ages ago, so most the people in the know won't be really excited about those. I wasn't really excited too much by the mage changes really... that Fire Orb seems kinda gimmicky - think about how effective Taldaram's orb is in practice. It's either gona have to hit real hard or hit like a machine gun. Fog sounds kinda hilarious tbh, but more pvp related maybe, could be useful in PVE... for some reason it cracked me right the hell up when I read about it though (lol Sailor Mercury?), anyways... could be used for add swarms I guess. __________________

2010-04-09, 12:17	Link #4941
RWBladewing Salt Levels Critical Join Date: Oct 2007	I've been pvp'ing quite a bit lately and the main change I'd like to see for rogues is to make Vanish actually do something. I don't think I've ever managed to use the ability and not have it broken immediately if anyone was in 10 feet of me. I don't think it's just me either as I see the same thing happen to every rogue I fight against. Hunter lv 1-10 was the worst part of the entire game and I went through it at least 6 times if not more (Yes, I really rolled that many separate hunters. Wish they'd come out with race/server changes much earlier so I didn't end up wasting all that time). Glad they're finally getting rid of that. Edit: Make that 7 hunters actually. Yeah, I was pretty fickle.

2010-04-11, 23:50	Link #4947
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	why does paladin get released so much farther than the others? maybe we get something special! __________________

2010-04-12, 00:00	Link #4948
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Something special, or they know the changes will overload the forum with complaining and to avoid an overload they made sure most of the others would be done first. (lol, Sailor Mercury...hadn't thought of that..."Why is my attack so useless?"..a-al SMA version) __________________

2010-04-12, 00:21	Link #4949
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	please god let it be some kind of "Fist of the gods" or something bad ass XD or some more bad ass wings. OOo! or how about that AoE Hammer thing from Diablo 2 or maybe the charge __________________

2010-04-12, 19:08	Link #4950
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Rebirth is getting nerfed back to a 30 minute cooldown. Druids are going to be really ticked off... The lv83 spell for Mages is undeniably good. A second Heroism - do like. But the 81 and 85 ones - they seem more like novelties. I'm sure they'll be fine tuned so that they're awesome, but at present they seem rather trivial. I'm also confused as what changes they are trying to make to Arcane and what the 3rd Mastery in Frost is supposed to do. __________________

2010-04-12, 19:48	Link #4951
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	The 3rd mastery for frost is so they don't only chain cast frostbolts. They'll probably cast frostbolts + fireballs or frostfire bolts. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2010-04-12, 20:32	Link #4953
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Well I was thinking that since you have an extra 5 talent points you could go more in fire but I don't know for sure. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2010-04-12, 21:09	Link #4954
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Mmm...not really....20 into Arcane is the current extra on top of 51 Frost. Improved Counterspell is too important in PvP. Plus with the extra 5 points next expansion, means you can grab Presence of Mind without losing Water Elemental, which would be brilliant for PvP. As for PvE, they would have to find a way to make Frostfire Bolt better than Fireball, which would inevitably make Frost PvP more powerful, which is something they aren't too keen on since Frost Mages do very well in 2s and 3s. Frostfire Bolt just seems to be one fo those spells that sounded good in theory but fell apart in execution. Hence my reservations for Flame Orb and Fog. __________________

2010-04-13, 00:34	Link #4955
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Remember they'll be taking out some talents. That is what the Masteries are for...taking the boring talents out of the tree so you can use those points of fun stuff. __________________

2010-04-13, 07:42	Link #4957
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	The same thing happens with Mage Invisibility...Why can it ditch players but not pets....retarded. __________________

2010-04-13, 11:17	Link #4958
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	The pets can still smell you. __________________

2010-04-13, 16:40	Link #4959
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	I like the new mage aoe spells, sure they're situational but at least they're more impressive than something bland like a debuff or a differently colored bolt.

2010-04-13, 18:56	Link #4960
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Zone info for Cata. First one is Mount Hyjal. And boy, this one looks awesome! Spoiler for Mount Hyjal quest line: For years, Mount Hyjal and the wounded World Tree, Nordrassil, have remained cut off from the rest of Azeroth. Sealed away within a protective field of dense foliage by Malfurion Stormrage, Nordrassil has been slowly recovering from the devastation of the Third War, when Malfurion called upon the tree's power to destroy the archdemon Archimonde and repel the forces of the Burning Legion and Scourge. Now, with the impending cataclysm, the World Tree's well-being is threatened once more. From the Firelands within the Elemental Plane, Ragnaros and his minions prepare to burst into Hyjal and set Nordrassil ablaze -- and the conflagration would endanger all life on Azeroth. In World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, players will have the opportunity to explore the newly reopened Mount Hyjal as Azeroth's heroes, with the help of Ysera, Malfurion Stormrage and Hamuul Runetotem, are called upon to push back the armies of the Firelord, banish Ragnaros to the Elemental Plane and lay waste to the twilight dragon stronghold in nearby Darkwhisper Gorge. This all-new level 78-82 zone will feature multiple quest hubs, phased terrain and quest lines, portals to micro-zones within the Firelands, an all-new raid dungeon, and much more. The World Tree Players will be able to enter Hyjal by way of Moonglade, to take on a series of high-stakes quests in a historic location alongside some of Azeroth's most renowned heroes. With a longstanding rivalry among the night elf leadership threatening to undermine the campaign against Deathwing, players will quickly discover the task of defending Nordrassil is more daunting than they had anticipated. In order to succeed, they must seek out the help of extremely powerful allies: the Ancients. The Ancients To protect Nordrassil and heal the devastation the invading fire elementals are causing across Mount Hyjal, players must first recapture the shrine of the wolf god Goldrinn. The ogres surrounding the shrine will not leave peacefully, but seizing the shrine will allow players their first opportunity to infiltrate the Firelands and shut down a key Twilight portal, slowing the advance of the nearby Twilight's Hammer in Hyjal. With the first portal dismantled, players will soon be sought by the wilderness spirit Aessina to assist in cleansing and healing the nearby forest, ultimately returning the land to its former splendor. This small victory, however, isn't enough to deter the Twilight Remnants from attempting to scorch the forest once more. As you struggle to keep these foes at bay, you'll also need to help the Guardians of Hyjal -- a new neutral faction of druids and worshippers of the Ancients -- repopulate the forest with animal life. It's even rumored that Malorne has been spotted in the wilderness. Perhaps further investigation is necessary.... Amid the chaos, the Druids of the Talon will need players' assistance to resurrect the goddess of winged creatures. Players begin the process by helping to slay a group of black dragons and closing a second Firelands portal from within. Just when you think things might be heating up, you'll need to fight through a burning night elf town to shut down the third and final portal with the assistance of the turtle god Tortollus. Darkwhisper Gorge Your successes in Hyjal will ultimately lead you to the assembly of the Ancients, who have set a plan in motion to bring a powerful ally and demigod back into this realm. Before that can happen, however, you will need to infiltrate Darkwhisper Gorge disguised as a follower of the Twilight's Hammer, acting quickly to sow discord within the entrenched faction, weakening it for the coming struggle. Only time will tell if the Ancients' plan is a success -- but you'll need to do your part if there's any hope of saving Mount Hyjal from the twilight dragons, Ragnaros, and his minions of the Elemental Plane. Firelands More information on this all-new level-85 raid dungeon is coming soon. __________________