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Haiprbim · 2013-03-26, 14:43

As far as I understand the two, I take Kawaii as something Cute, Good-looking, Beautiful and Moe as something Cute, Hot, Hitting.

Vexx · 2013-03-26, 17:11

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Originally Posted by backbone

Regarding "moe", i just wished Zac Bertschy from ANN to stop bitching this thing. It's just getting very annoying recently

I stopped giving ANN page views years ago and I highly recommend avoiding it unless there's no other choice. They make money off of page views - there's a natural tendency to publish bullshit and controversy just to get the rage going.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-26, 18:51

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Originally Posted by P3tr

As far as I understand the two, I take Kawaii as something Cute, Good-looking, Beautiful and Moe as something Cute, Hot, Hitting.

Moe? Hot? Hmm.. kinda...

Akito Kinomoto · 2013-03-28, 05:55

This subject gives me a headache. When people are talking about moé it can be anything from art style to the feeling for a character to a series' descriptor. I don't find that kawaii at all.

Vexx · 2013-03-28, 06:09

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Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto

This subject gives me a headache. When people are talking about moé it can be anything from art style to the feeling for a character to a series' descriptor. I don't find that kawaii at all.

Same ... it's like a thread entitled "Broccoli versus Forks". The first response is "wut?".

Dhomochevsky · 2013-03-28, 14:40

Saying 'moeeeeee' makes you sound like a retard.

It's just that kind of sound I guess.

Please consider this, when trying to decide between the two.

larethian · 2013-03-28, 23:09

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

Saying 'moeeeeee' makes you sound like a retard.

It's just that kind of sound I guess.

Please consider this, when trying to decide between the two.

What if it's said by a cute girl?

alunde · 2013-03-30, 19:25

Kawaii as a word and a concept seems to have been around longer, and has some kind of meaning in general Japanese culture outside fandom.

I remember coming across a list of 8 or 10 traits that made something kawaii. From that, and concrete examples, I think an exact equality between, say, US notions of cute, and Japanese notions of kawaii doesn't really work, but there's enough overlap for it to pass as a translation.

"Moe" doesn't have an English analog that leaps to mind, and I'm not always sure what people mean by it, either, but it's been in conversation more lately.

Vexx · 2013-03-30, 20:20

"kawaii" you will find in any standard japanese dictionary. Official word, long standing, used by general populace of Japan.

"moe" is a slang term, used almost only by the anime fandom in Japan (otaku + casual fans). It is a slang term, not used by Average Japanese People.

Triple_R · 2013-03-30, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

Saying 'moeeeeee' makes you sound like a retard.

It's just that kind of sound I guess.

Please consider this, when trying to decide between the two.

I'm not sure if Ka-Why-Eee... is that much better than Moe-HEYyy...

At least to English ears. That's usually how the two terms sound to me when I've heard other people say them.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-30, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

I'm not sure if Ka-Why-Eee... is that much better than Moe-HEYyy...

At least to English ears. That's usually how the two terms sound to me when I've heard other people say them.

Please tell me a word that doesn't sound silly when you drag it out.

But anyway, who cares about what English speakers think

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Triple_R · 2013-03-30, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Please tell me a word that doesn't sound silly when you drag it out.

That's much of my point to Dhomochevsky. Kawaii doesn't sound significantly better than Moe if you similarly drag both of them out. It's been my personal experience that English speakers do tend to over-emphasize the ends of these words. Japanese speakers probably don't do that as much, of course.

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But anyway, who cares about what English speakers think

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So you don't care about how you sound to those you converse with regularly?

Akito Kinomoto · 2013-03-30, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

So you don't care about how you sound to those you converse with regularly?

The closer me and someone else are, the less I care about how I sound.

Dhomochevsky · 2013-03-31, 14:08

Moeeeeeehhh reminds me of sheep.

***relentlessflame*** · 2013-03-31, 23:42

...and with that, I think we'll close. There have been some pretty good definitions given that clearly explain the difference between the two terms. Moral of the story is basically that just because two words can be used, in some contexts, to describe the same thing, doesn't mean that the two words actually have the same (or even a similar) definition.

If there's a good reason to re-open the thread, please feel free to contact any member of the staff.

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alunde osananajimi Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Midwest USA	Kawaii as a word and a concept seems to have been around longer, and has some kind of meaning in general Japanese culture outside fandom. I remember coming across a list of 8 or 10 traits that made something kawaii. From that, and concrete examples, I think an exact equality between, say, US notions of cute, and Japanese notions of kawaii doesn't really work, but there's enough overlap for it to pass as a translation. "Moe" doesn't have an English analog that leaps to mind, and I'm not always sure what people mean by it, either, but it's been in conversation more lately. __________________ Supporting equal-opportunity fanservice

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	"kawaii" you will find in any standard japanese dictionary. Official word, long standing, used by general populace of Japan. "moe" is a slang term, used almost only by the anime fandom in Japan (otaku + casual fans). It is a slang term, not used by Average Japanese People. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	Moeeeeeehhh reminds me of sheep. <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/rooPPLtK9pg">watch on YouTube</a>.</p>

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*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	...and with that, I think we'll close. There have been some pretty good definitions given that clearly explain the difference between the two terms. Moral of the story is basically that just because two words can be used, in some contexts, to describe the same thing, doesn't mean that the two words actually have the same (or even a similar) definition. If there's a good reason to re-open the thread, please feel free to contact any member of the staff. __________________ [...]

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Haiprbim Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Visual Dream Panire	As far as I understand the two, I take Kawaii as something Cute, Good-looking, Beautiful and Moe as something Cute, Hot, Hitting.

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Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	Saying 'moeeeeee' makes you sound like a retard. It's just that kind of sound I guess. Please consider this, when trying to decide between the two.