(L) Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka (LN)

[Kuroageha]

Well duh, the story is building up again for a big arc.

[pkmntrainer7]

Looks like there's going to be Bell and Lefiya teaming up to take on one of the plant monsters in the next Sword Oratoria LN.

Spoiler for SO5:

[bakato]

When is this? I'm guessing this is after Goliath.

[Kuroageha]

Actually, it's seems to be before Goliath. Loli team left before it appeared. So Lefiya being there means no Goliath yet.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Actually, it's seems to be before Goliath. Loli team left before it appeared. So Lefiya being there means no Goliath yet.

True, but when they insert material like this, they usually make time for it or at least make it insignificant enough so that it isn't strange when it isn't hinted or referred to in the original material.

[Kuroageha]

That's why it's a side story/spin off, Lefiya existence is null in the main series.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

That's why it's a side story/spin off, Lefiya existence is null in the main series.

But it's still canon.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by bakato

But it's still canon.

It's canon and Lefiya is almost never mentioned in the main series, it's for these kind of things. In volume 5 Bell only talks about being afraid by the glare of an Elf, which is her. Which means that the writer purposefully didn't include these parts in the Danmachi books to include them later in Oratoria.

[Pierre]

I have one question that has been confusing me for a while and the anime makes it more confusing. Is the dungeon going up or down? They constantly show the tower that seemingly has no top, and in one scene it looks like bell is going up when he entering the dungeon. But to get to the safety floor in the anime, he clearly goes down. But if the dungeon is going down, then what the hell is in the tower, past the first few floors, because based on the anime the tower would have to be thousands of feet tall if not more.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I have one question that has been confusing me for a while and the anime makes it more confusing. Is the dungeon going up or down? They constantly show the tower that seemingly has no top, and in one scene it looks like bell is going up when he entering the dungeon. But to get to the safety floor in the anime, he clearly goes down. But if the dungeon is going down, then what the hell is in the tower, past the first few floors, because based on the anime the tower would have to be thousands of feet tall if not more.

The tower above is inhabited by mortals and god, not by monsters. There are place to exchange your loots, as well as shops. The shop Hestia works in, the place where elf and Bell meet and then eat are all in the tower. ABove those are place where some influential gods live. The highest level in particular is where Freiya usually live.

The dungeon goes down.

[Flower]

All right. Hold up please!

Those who want to discuss Index do it in that subforum please. Dont fill the DanMachi novel thread IF you please.

[Kuroageha]

Hold there, Flower.

We're talking about this series spin off, Sword Oratoria, Railgun/Index are brought as examples because they're have a similar main/spin off relationship about events to prove a point.

The discussion was over already though, I think would've been better to use spoiler tag for the comparisons.

Spoiler for comparisons:

Originally Posted by bakato

But they do in both cases. The Sisters arc deeply affected both Mikoto and Touma. It most certainly affected Accelerator who continued to play a major role in Index.

It didn't change anything that wasn't adressed in the main series, Railgun just showed Mikoto's point of view, repeated Touma's role and repeated Accelerator's character that was already done in more detail by Last Order when they met, and after it ended the aftermath of the arc was more about Accelerator and the clones which is covered in the main series rather than Mikoto's herself.

Have you forgotten it was due to the events of Oratario that led Bell to be attacked by a minotaur and subsequently saved by Aiz that was the very beginning of volume 1?

Yeah, but that was already adressed in the main series, and then just expanded in SO. Some events and characters are retconned like Lefiya.

To cite an example from Raildex, the events of the Daihaseisai involving Touma happened on the first day while the incident with Mikoto happened on the following day.

Yet it was barely referenced in the main series aka it didn't affect its plot or characters, for Kamachi, it was sunday.

Both SO and Railgun are used to expand events that already happened in the main series, sure they do have their own events but those have no influence in their respective series which is the point of the discussion.

It's nothing wrong with that, actually I think for example Railgun is better when isn't clinging on Index series so it could do something new instead of hinting what it's already known in the main series.

[Flower]

Thats not how I was reading it, but as long as it is finished all is well.

In the future btw, if you disagree with something I or any other mods do it is best to approach us privately so as not to fill up threads with such things, okay? Thanks.

Now then, back to the DanMachi LN thread.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Hold there, Flower.

We're talking about this series spin off, Sword Oratoria, Railgun/Index are brought as examples because they're have a similar main/spin off relationship about events to prove a point.

The discussion was over already though, I think would've been better to use spoiler tag for the comparisons.

Spoiler for comparisons:

It didn't change anything that wasn't adressed in the main series, Railgun just showed Mikoto's point of view, repeated Touma's role and repeated Accelerator's character that was already done in more detail by Last Order when they met, and after it ended the aftermath of the arc was more about Accelerator and the clones which is covered in the main series rather than Mikoto's herself.


Yeah, but that was already adressed in the main series, and then just expanded in SO. Some events and characters are retconned like Lefiya.


Yet it was barely referenced in the main series aka it didn't affect its plot or characters, for Kamachi, it was sunday.

Both SO and Railgun are used to expand events that already happened in the main series, sure they do have their own events but those have no influence in their respective series which is the point of the discussion.

It's nothing wrong with that, actually I think for example Railgun is better when isn't clinging on Index series so it could do something new instead of hinting what it's already known in the main series.

We are looking at this from an in-universe chronological perspective. Whether Omori just decided to expand on events through Oratoria doesn't matter. Fact is, Bell would've never met Aiz if it weren't for Aiz's story that led to a minotaur attacking Bell and Aiz subsequently saving him. That's influencing the main story.

The main point of this discussion if you'd actually been paying attention was the matter of TIME. So I'll put in words for you.

From the moment Bell woke up after arriving at the 18th floor to the fight with Goliath, from what I could glean from spoilers and summaries, there was no unaccounted for TIME during which Leafiya and Bell teamed up to take down a monster. Even if there was, every morning, noon, and night is pretty much accounted for, so it's strange that their fight wasn't even so much as hinted at in the main storyline considering how compressed the events were.

In fact, if my speculation is correct, this fight occurred after the peeking incident so the time frame is even shorter.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by bakato

We are looking at this from an in-universe chronological perspective. Whether Omori just decided to expand on events through Oratoria doesn't matter. Fact is, Bell would've never met Aiz if it weren't for Aiz's story that led to a minotaur attacking Bell and Aiz subsequently saving him. That's influencing the main story.

The main point of this discussion if you'd actually been paying attention was the matter of TIME. So I'll put in words for you.

From the moment Bell woke up after arriving at the 18th floor to the fight with Goliath, from what I could glean from spoilers and summaries, there was no unaccounted for TIME during which Leafiya and Bell teamed up to take down a monster. Even if there was, every morning, noon, and night is pretty much accounted for, so it's strange that their fight wasn't even so much as hinted at in the main storyline considering how compressed the events were.

In fact, if my speculation is correct, this fight occurred after the peeking incident so the time frame is even shorter.

Because the author wrote that story AFTER he'd already written the main story so of course things will be shoe horned in(one of the main complaints about the spinoffs). The spin off wasn't in the works until a bit after volume 3 so there should be some discrepancies this isn't Isin or Kamachi we're talking about I love this story to death but the author is bad at foreshadowing or interweaving plots. Wouldn't be surprised if he never even thought of Oratoria until his editor or publisher asked him to write something out and just inserts things on the fly, the spin off doesn't influence the main story at all so the author is using the main series as it's back bone and the story shows it.

[Zefyris]

I really don't think that fight will be before the end of the main story's volume 5.
SO's volume 5 will probably pass the time of the end of the main story's volume 5 before half of the pages, so if that fight is in the second half, it is after.

Also, Somethindarker, don't go back to Kamachi please. Especially not by suggesting that Kamachi is a reference in anything to be compared at.He's a bad writer, and if you compared danmachi volume 1-9 to index volume 1-9, THe quality of Danmachi is higher in everything except world building ImO. So let's stop here on that point.

Things in SO are very well inserted, and it explains lots of things that would be left unexplained in the main story. That's what a spin off is supposed to do. That's what it's doing.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

I really don't think that fight will be before the end of the main story's volume 5.
SO's volume 5 will probably pass the time of the end of the main story's volume 5 before half of the pages, so if that fight is in the second half, it is after.

Also, Somethindarker, don't go back to Kamachi please. Especially not by suggesting that Kamachi is a reference in anything to be compared at.He's a bad writer, and if you compared danmachi volume 1-9 to index volume 1-9, THe quality of Danmachi is higher in everything except world building ImO. So let's stop here on that point.

Things in SO are very well inserted, and it explains lots of things that would be left unexplained in the main story. That's what a spin off is supposed to do. That's what it's doing.

I disagree respectfully but you're right let's stop here for the threads' sake.

I also have to disagree with you on SO, don't get me wrong aside from Lefailya it's a solid story and entertaining, the story in and of itself to me feels like the author just sat back, analyzed his main series and just inserted the intertwining plot elements. Now that's not to say the plot is weak if anything I find the political and relationships of the different guilds and gods to be it's strong points I just find the nods and winks to the main series distracting and, again this is my opinion, I find Ais and Lefiya fucking boring and would much rather have had a new character and guild be the focus because I've never liked the cute girls doing cute things and frankly I find it nauseating sometimes.

[RDNexus]

Then that's just your bloody preferences speaking volumes here, not a main problem of sorts with SO.
Which means... It's your problem, deal with it.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by xrick

Then that's just your bloody preferences speaking volumes here, not a main problem of sorts with SO.
Which means... It's your problem, deal with it.

He posted his opinion I'm sharing mine. That's the entire point of this forum to share your opinions with other people and discuss different elements of the story. There are plenty of people who share my views as there are plenty of people who share his these aren't new opinions I wasn't saying the story sucks nor trying to change his views just illustrating what I don't like about SO like he did we're not arguing we're agreeing to disagree he has his views and I have mine no part of my post implied that my opinions are a mass consensus or did I assume everyone has my same taste.

[glazer69]

Damn it im jealous to those who can read japanese if only my teacher isn't a weed addict