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Old 2012-09-29, 13:38   Link #581
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^ I wasn't arguing that every end in the game is a valid alternate end for the story. I know that, but it's irrelevant to what I was trying to say.
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Old 2012-09-29, 15:06   Link #582
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It did, in that scene. But IIRC the movie is to take place before that point.
Well, Ok, but where did the final episode of PMMM make it clear that Madoka could not communicate with Homura?


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So I think the movie will probably deal with how Homura gets those freaky powers that she's using in that scene and the ability to communicate with Madoka.

That's why I don't expect Madoka to be able to communicate with her from the start. Of course these are all just my assumptions.
If your assumptions are correct, I think that the final movie is going to be very Black Rock Shooter-esque.

I think that Madoka will go semi-crazy and hence sort of half-witchify, requiring Homura to somehow absorb Madoka into herself (in some bizarre metaphysical realm), creating those "Wings that would make Sephiroth blush" for Homura. It would also mean that Madoka is now "inside" of Homura forever, hence the telepathy.


Not sure if I want this or not, but it would be flashy and entertaining in some ways at least, lol.
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Old 2012-09-29, 15:35   Link #583
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I just hope for a lot of explosions.
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Old 2012-09-29, 16:20   Link #584
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I think that Madoka will go semi-crazy and hence sort of half-witchify, requiring Homura to somehow absorb Madoka into herself (in some bizarre metaphysical realm), creating those "Wings that would make Sephiroth blush" for Homura. It would also mean that Madoka is now "inside" of Homura forever, hence the telepathy.
But we already got an explanation for those wings. And wouldn't that prevent Madoka from doing her job?
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Old 2012-09-29, 16:33   Link #585
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But we already got an explanation for those wings. And wouldn't that prevent Madoka from doing her job?
Do we? I thought all we know is that those wings are an attack of hers, but we don't know if she always had it. And if she didn't we don't how she got it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 2012-09-29, 17:12   Link #586
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The PSP game implies it to be a result of the paradox her knowledge gives her. Something about how she knows Madoka will come for her so she's never hopeless enough to get to that critical low.
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Old 2012-09-29, 17:23   Link #587
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Something about how she knows Madoka will come for her so she's never hopeless enough to get to that critical low.
The game made that fan theory canon? Seriously? It's too coincidental. Do you have any translation on this so I can make my own conclusions? Since you said it was implied...
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Old 2012-09-29, 22:02   Link #588
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I'm just going off what I read on 2chan. I haven't had a chance to play the game yet.

I know, I know, 2ch's not reliable, but I've seen entire threads coming to a consensus on it.

That being said, the PSP game canonized a buttload of fan theories. Basically everything except Homura being Walpurgis.
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Old 2012-09-30, 07:29   Link #589
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I know, I know, 2ch's not reliable, but I've seen entire threads coming to a consensus on it.
But it's still a consensus over something that's never really stated. And we don't even have the actual dialog lines to make our own conclusions.

My point stands though. We don't know exactly where her powers comes from, we don't have the facts, only implications, and it would be really cool if the movie explains it and even makes it an actual plot point of the story.
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Old 2012-09-30, 11:06   Link #590
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It would be, yea. But a bunch of people who play the game seem to collaborate this information and it even seems to match the title of the attack it gives her in game, so I see no reason to doubt it at this time.
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Old 2012-09-30, 11:43   Link #591
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It would be, yea. But a bunch of people who play the game seem to collaborate this information and it even seems to match the title of the attack it gives her in game, so I see no reason to doubt it at this time.
But it's not information, it's just an interpretation, isn't it? You said it yourself: "the game implies..."

So there's nothing explicitly stated, right? The movie could cover that. May even go in a different direction. As long as it makes sense with whatever actual information was given in the game, the movie can go anywhere. Don't you think?

I'm just throwing out ideas though (and playing a bit of devil advocate). Who knows what they're going to do. Let's wait and see what happens.






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I recall that there's only one person who can hear Madoka (Homura) and there's only two people who can see Madoka (Homura, and Madoka's brother Tatsuya).

Well, we don't know if Homura can, but the case of Tatsuya is explained in the audio commentary:
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In the Audio Commentary for Episode 12, Urobuchi explained that the reason Tatsuya knows about Madoka is because he can see her. He says it's how little children can see things they're not suppose to, because they don't know they're not suppose to see it. Sadly, Urobuchi also said when he grows up, he won't be able to anymore and will likely forget all about it.
So this is like in the movie City of Angels, where babies can "see" the angels. It's just a sort of nice easter egg with no special meaning. Tatsuya himself will stop "seeing" as he grows up, as Gen explains.
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Old 2012-09-30, 14:25   Link #592
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But it's not information, it's just an interpretation, isn't it? You said it yourself: "the game implies..."

So there's nothing explicitly stated, right? The movie could cover that. May even go in a different direction. As long as it makes sense with whatever actual information was given in the game, the movie can go anywhere. Don't you think?

I'm just throwing out ideas though (and playing a bit of devil advocate). Who knows what they're going to do. Let's wait and see what happens.
I think you're putting too much stock in the syntax of a Japanese speaker using second-hand information to talk about Japanese stuff in a language he didn't grow up with. Just saying.

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So this is like in the movie City of Angels, where babies can "see" the angels. It's just a sort of nice easter egg with no special meaning. Tatsuya himself will stop "seeing" as he grows up, as Gen explains.
Unless Gen turns out to be wrong. :3

On the bright side, this means perhaps any child can see Madoka. If they all start gaggling about her and no one can find the source, it'll be a demonstrably supernatural event.
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Old 2012-09-30, 15:01   Link #593
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I think you're putting too much stock in the syntax of a Japanese speaker using second-hand information to talk about Japanese stuff in a language he didn't grow up with. Just saying.
I just don't take interpretations too seriously unless they're my own.


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On the bright side, this means perhaps any child can see Madoka. If they all start gaggling about her and no one can find the source, it'll be a demonstrably supernatural event.
They could add this in the SOL version of Madoka that Shinbo dreams about.
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Old 2012-09-30, 18:46   Link #594
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Well, we don't know if Homura can, but the case of Tatsuya is explained in the audio commentary:


So this is like in the movie City of Angels, where babies can "see" the angels. It's just a sort of nice easter egg with no special meaning. Tatsuya himself will stop "seeing" as he grows up, as Gen explains.
Why does this give me the idea of Madoka playing Peter Pan in the new Madoka-verse?

Maybe Madoka has set up a mystical NeverNeverLand where she takes young kids for exciting dreams where "Peter Pan" Madoka fights against Captain Hook (maybe played by the soul of Sayaka ) in staged theatrical adventures for kids, lol.
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Old 2012-09-30, 20:56   Link #595
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more visual comparison between the BD and Movie version.

look like Sayaka's "fortissimo" hairpin become official now, wonder if it have any special meaning.





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Old 2012-09-30, 21:41   Link #596
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That hairpin is far too big. Subtlety doesn't imply weakness!
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Old 2012-09-30, 23:10   Link #597
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more visual comparison between the BD and Movie version.

look like Sayaka's "fortissimo" hairpin become official now, wonder if it have any special meaning.
Her boyfriend plays music I'm sure. And she also listens to classical music (thanks to BF).
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Old 2012-10-01, 04:19   Link #598
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Also i'd say "fortissimo" describes Sayaka's personality quite well.
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Old 2012-10-01, 14:37   Link #599
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Cool Well...

I don't want to elaborate much but here is what I think will happen in the third movie:

Spoiler for Long bunch of speculation...:
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Old 2012-10-01, 14:49   Link #600
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That is even more depressing than the eternal story ending.
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